Mystery cycad?

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:12 am

Mr. Chumley sent me 5 seeds of what were Tatitungensis. However this is one put out it's first leaf, but the leaf has split at the top and has two seperate "limbs" if you will.
Mr. Chumley, is this a normal trait of a seedling?

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:55 am

That is cool looking

Resembles what I think a cross between C.taitungensis and C.bifida might look like, or maybe just a natural variant, or something else altogether ?

Curious to see what the answer is!

Steve

chumleycycads.com · Post by **chumleycycads.com** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:38 am

The cycad in the photo is definately branching and this is extemely a rare occurance.
However, I am going to refrain from further comment until more people have an opportunity to view this
post. If I were you, I would post this photo on the Yahoo Cycad Forum. Robert Chumley

chumleycycads.com · Post by **chumleycycads.com** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:08 pm

They could probably use a diversion over there sinse Tom and his faithful Zombies
are trying to infer that I stole Taitungensis seed from Taiwan over 28 years ago and the fact that I donated
over 800 seed to these forums to be given away free to their members , instead of donating them to the Cycad Society.
Sorry, but somtimes I have to vent, sinse they have blocked me from posting on their site to defend myself.
signed "The most well known poacher of the later half of the twentieth century" (quote from Tom Broome) to their 800 members on their biased web site.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:44 pm

Robert, you are always going to have "haters" when you provide such a great product for a much cheaper prise than what he (Tom) does.

HOWEVER, NOW YOU HAVE ME WORRIED!!!!! With my history, I am TERRIFIED that I will kill this tree now, especially after you tell me it is a very rare thing.
Are there any suggestions, or should I actually try to box it up and send it to you for safer keeping and better growing conditions????

chumleycycads.com · Post by **chumleycycads.com** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:47 am

Just grow it like you normally would do , Wes. Just get as many people to comment on it as posible.You may wish to post it on several
forums to get to the people who share a common knowledge of cycads and could make an intelligent comment on this phenomonon.

virtualpalm · Post by **virtualpalm** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:17 pm

Bob, I am truly sorry you feel this way. But as a co-moderator of the "cycad" Yahoo group, please allow me to set the record straight. You were blocked from the group for posting allegations about numerous people in the cycad community, not because someone was trying to prevent you from defending yourself. In response to your first comment below, no one on that group has implied that you stole any seed from Taiwan. Furthermore, your other comments (sadly) come across as nothing more than vindictive and spiteful.

Based on numerous posts that I have read on this forum, it is obvious that there are several people here who hold you in high regard -- but if I were to refer to them as "faithful Zombies," would you not agree that would be extremely disrespectful and downright false? On the other hand, I am glad that you have taken it upon yourself to provide quality plants at fair prices, and that you are willing to come onto this forum to offer tips and pointers for growing them. As you may know, "conservation through propagation" is one of the primary goals of many of us in the cycad community that hold the plants in higher regard than making a profit. And whether you care to admit it or not, Tom Broome is definitely one of those people.

Jody

--- chumleycycad.com wrote:

They could probably use a diversion over there sinse Tom and his faithful Zombies
are trying to infer that I stole Taitungensis seed from Taiwan over 28 years ago and the fact that I donated
over 800 seed to these forums to be given away free to their members , instead of donating them to the Cycad Society.
Sorry, but somtimes I have to vent, sinse they have blocked me from posting on their site to defend myself.
signed "The most well known poacher of the later half of the twentieth century" (quote from Tom Broome) to their 800 members on their biased web site.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:38 am

Jody, WELCOME!!!!
Jody, can you please tell us who is responsable for bringing the Asian Scale that is killing most of the cycad population in Florida, to America?
I have always been curious.

virtualpalm · Post by **virtualpalm** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:15 am

It is my understanding that the cycad aulacaspis scale (CAS) was first detected in Miami, Florida, in the mid-1990s on some plants that had been collected by a local botanical garden during an expedition to Vietnam. At that time, very little was known about the insect or its potential to do harm. It obviously escaped the garden setting, and within a few years it had spread throughout the greater Miami area... and by that time it was too late to contain it. It has since spread throughout the southeastern U.S. and into Texas, California, Hawaii, and several Caribbean islands. Sadly, it has also been spread to Guam and Taiwan, which are home to native populations of Cycas micronesica and C. taitungensis, respectively -- where is has wrought havoc on the unsuspecting native cycads. Most of the movement of this pest has been on infected plants of C. revoluta being sold to large chain stores.

As the chair of the Invasive Pests Subgroup of the World Conservation Union - IUCN/Species Survival Commission's Cycad Specialist Group, I have made a concerted effort to track the spread of this pest worldwide and to assemble as much information as possible about it in one location. I have also created a page outlining global efforts being made to control CAS. Please feel free to peruse these sites (provided below), and please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions.

http://www.iucn.org/themes/ssc/sgs/csg/pages/CAS.htm
http://www.iucn.org/themes/ssc/sgs/csg/ ... fforts.htm

Jody[/i]

virtualpalm · Post by **virtualpalm** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:30 am

I should add that only cycads in the genera Cycas, Bowenia, and Stangeria seem to be significantly affected by CAS, and it has been brought under control in some areas.

By "population" I assume you are not referring to natural populations of our only native cycad, the Florida coontie... as those have not been affected by this pest. Other cycads in cultivation have also not been adversely affected, and there are still lots of growers down here in FL -- including Bob Chumley.

Honest (and serious) question for Bob and anyone else sending cycads by mail: Are you treating all of the Cycas, Bowenia, and Stangeria seedlings and plants that you are shipping to buyers around the country for CAS in an effort to prevent further spread? If so, how are you treating them?

--Kansas wrote:

<snip> that is killing most of the cycad population in Florida <snip>

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:04 am

Mr. Haynes,
Welcome, and thanks for stopping by !
I am rather fortunate there is no CAS host present in the local ecosystem, ( besides my green house

Most of mine are from seed, but I do order some at times... Besides due diligence by the grower, are there any treatments that can be applied as a preventative measure ?

Steve

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:10 am

virtualpalm: "It is my understanding that the cycad aulacaspis scale (CAS) was first detected in Miami, Florida, in the mid-1990s on some plants that had been collected by a local botanical garden during an expedition to Vietnam. At that time, very little was known about the insect or its potential to do harm. It obviously escaped the garden setting, "

Would you mind telling us which "botanical garden" it was and who was in charge of it?

virtualpalm · Post by **virtualpalm** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:21 am

Thanks, Steve.

Tom Broome has been doing some excellent work with used coffee grounds and second-brewed coffee for controlling scale and other insect pests on cycads, and he has an article on this in the December 2007 issue of the Cycad Newsletter -- which, BTW, is a wonderful 30th anniversary triple issue. I will be posting a PDF version of this article on the TCS website (www.cycad.org) this week, so you may want to go there and read about it.

As an incentive to increase membership, we are giving away a free copy of our 30th anniversary issue to anyone joining (or renewing) and paying dues for three years.

Jody

--Knnn (Steve) wrote:

<snip> Besides due diligence by the grower, are there any treatments that can be applied as a preventative measure ?

virtualpalm · Post by **virtualpalm** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:23 am

Out of curiosity, what would be the purpose of asking this question?

--Kansas wrote:

Would you mind telling us which "botanical garden" it was and who was in charge of it?

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:17 pm

I recall hearing of Mr. Broome's preliminary work with this concept, looking forward to seeing the article

Steve

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:38 pm

virtualpalm wrote:Out of curiosity, what would be the purpose of asking this question?

--Kansas wrote:

Would you mind telling us which "botanical garden" it was and who was in charge of it?

Just curious.

macario · Post by **macario** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:56 pm

Hello robert I got your email!! I will be getting 2 more from you!! You need to go ahead and vent. We are friends here and all ready to listen. How are the bananas doing? Any pictures yet?

I am interested in hearing what Kansas has there, It looks cool. Please Robert can you go ahead and explain.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:24 pm

Me too. (Hi Mr. Haynes, nice to have you with us).

Folks here suggested I put coffee grounds at the dripline of my old sago last year.
Think I did it twice.

We weren't entirely sure it had a problem but the caudex looked whitish. Not a mark on the leaves, though.
Now 9 months later the Sago still has a whitish looking caudex.
Leaves still look very clean.

Maybe it has LAZY scale!

Barb

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:26 pm

Just to let everyone know, I spoke with Mr. Tom Broome. He informed me that is kinda rare, but not REALLY rare. DARNIT!

He states that the leafs may continue to split like that in the future. However if the tree flushed like 7 leaves, only one of those would be split. And the split would occur in the top portion, not the bottom.
I just hope I don't kill it with my idiot self having a rare thing, I just know I'll screw it up

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:34 pm

Hell, Wes, "kinda rare" to the experts would be akin to the Hope Diamond for me.

Promise to use only 10 year old manure on it...nothin' "newish" ?????
Very cool.
Barb

macario · Post by **macario** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:35 pm

Kansas anyway it very nice just like everything robert produces.

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:13 pm

This is getting out of hand. These accusations don't belong on this forum. If someone has a problem it is best to handle it in private. If this crap is going to start here I'll be happy to drop out of this forum.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:32 pm

Laaz wrote:This is getting out of hand. These accusations don't belong on this forum. If someone has a problem it is best to handle it in private. If this crap is going to start here I'll be happy to drop out of this forum.

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