Not sure if the Washy made it....

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:49 am

Its under the blue tarp with lots of insulation....
the remote sensor stopped working and I have no
way to know if the rope lights turned on-I used these
instead of bulbs because its rapped so tight )-:

LOW WAS 14F last night here in the yard(6' up).

The forecast was for a low of 18F,no problem without heat if everything is wrapped tight....
I woke up at 4am to the screams of palms(kidding/kinda)and watched the temp at the airport plunge from 12F to 10F )-:

The Washy is in the big blue tarp...Butia and baby Takil in front(unheated).

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Needle palm

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Nainital

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Fortunei-should have lit them on fire last night!-(-;

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Biggest Sabal Louisiana...channeling the McCurtain
cold hardy vibe with a nice frosting of blue on the leaves.

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Beware if this Arctic front comes through with 1/2" of snow or more-it will change those forecasted low temps downward 5-10F

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TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:58 am

Got to love needle palms and Sabal minor today! Trachy, too. Look so nice with that snow on the fronds.

Really hope you can pull that Washy through winter.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:23 am

no way to know if the rope lights turned on

10F ? oh oh, but if it's wrapped/insulated well, one night would probably be OK.
But the Butia....

ouch.

Wattage is really low on LEDs.
Emit light, not heat like incandescents with a filament.

After reading your post, I plugged in a rope light string indoors.
After 15 minutes it still felt the same temp.

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Would you be better off--with really tight wrapping--to have installed a heat tape like Beny and Keith do?

I doubt rope lights would keep a water line from freezing like heat tape will.

Time for a new remote, Jim.
Remember to get new batteries for both the sending unit AND the receiver.
One of my units came with instructions about which unit to install batteries in first.

I've got a related issue but will post a new topic.

Barb

seedscanada · Post by **seedscanada** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:22 am

I woke up at 4am to the screams of palms

Me too, but mine were like, "Yeah, we're all toasty in our enclosures and its gone down to 30'f out there!" YAY!![/quote]

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:03 am

only down to 18F here this morning and the needle had a bag over it..should be fine..says its going to be 65 on sunday

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:56 am

Its -8c ( 15F) this morning, and i still have a lot of Trachy, Needle and Chamaerops uncovered. And all looks fine...will warm up tomorrow, but today the high is only 30F

....few degrees below normal...

Ben

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:35 am

Thanks you guys.....

Barb

I always use new batteries(the good ones)but-some of the sensors are going on 6 years old now
and I know I needed lots of rest when I was 6 years old

I think they are crapping out.

If you take your rope lights and make a circle on the ground(like rolling up a hose)where the
strands are laying on top of each other the surface temp will go over 100F eventually.

They give off a little heat but it dissipates so fast it is unnoticed-btw

This was a temporary measure and insurance just in case it went below the forecasted 18F
because I just wanted a tiny amount of heat if needed-the c-9 lights would be to cramped...
if the sensor would have worked I could have been able to see if the ropes lights heat could even
make it to 45F to shut the Thermocube off.

Going to uncover it now,I will take some pics-if it got nuked look for a thread title called.

"Blacked chicken"

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:38 am

Fingers crossed for you.
P.S. only 20 oF here this morning. Still zone 9, right?

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:12 am

think they are crapping out

Yeah, between the sensors, receivers, ext cords, Tcubes and lights, the risk increases as stuff ages.

And then there's this to really mess with my mind:
http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/elec ... o-watt.htm

If you take your rope lights and make a circle on the ground(like rolling up a hose)where the
strands are laying on top of each other the surface temp will go over 100F eventually.
They give off a little heat but it dissipates so fast it is unnoticed-btw

Good to know. I'll do that.

Looking forward to seeing the pics.
Fingers crossed it's fine especially with good job wrapping.

Think I still prefer a heated air space vs tight wrapping.
I've had too much fungus damage from not enough air movement.

Barb

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:30 pm

Got to a low of 9 deg F on Monday here while I was gone on vacation. Forecast before I left said low of 19, so wasn't too worried about what I had left outside in pots.

about 5 Mexican Fan Palms, CIDP's, Chinese Fan Palm(both in a pot, and 3 in the ground), Both Silver and Green versions of European Fan palms.

All the Mexican Fans took a hit and discolored and hopefully now that they are in some protection in my garage will pull through. Amazingly the Chinese fan palms seem to be untouched! Even the ones in the ground that I over winter tells me they are a lot tougher than I would have thought. Needless to say the Europeans did fine too.

Next time, I won't pay attention to the weathermen.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:50 pm

won't pay attention to the weathermen.

9F minus 12 C ????

Holy crapola.

Just one night? not the whole time you were away hopefully
Barb

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:01 pm

9F and yea, it sucked while I watched the temps from Phoenix, AZ

Forgot to mention the two Windmill palms in the ground that are not yet protected. Again, they both sailed through the cold just fine.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:07 pm

Good way to ruin a vacation, huh?

Hope Jim's results are OK...he was going to post some pics.

Hallooooooo, earth calling Jim, come in please!

Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:08 pm

Scott,
sorry! Glad the Livistonia came through.

cuja1 · Post by **cuja1** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:30 pm

I think they survived worse one year in el paso, tx

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:38 pm

Yea, me too. I know they are cold hardy but 9 degrees???!!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:12 pm

sashaeffer wrote:Yea, me too. I know they are cold hardy but 9 degrees???!!

By the look of the leaves when I uncovered it,temp was in the low 20s(F)

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:50 am

sashaeffer wrote:Yea, me too. I know they are cold hardy but 9 degrees???!!

Any pics?

I don't think they are leaf hardy past 25F or so...possibly it is something else
or in a very good micro-climate! You guys must of had snow cover too,otherwise
i think it would have been more like 20ish(F)

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:14 am

Can post pics later today when I'm home.

3 are in the ground and next to the house(two of those I over wintered last year with only bags of mulch for protection) The 4th one, I've had for a few years and it's in a large pot. Last winter I just drug it inside the garage with other cold hardy palms and it did fine. This palm though was sitting out on a walk way to the house totally open and exposed. The potted Mexican Fan Palms all took leaf damage hits, and hopefully will rebound (they are in garage now)

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:43 pm

Pics,

Ok, There has been a change in two of the 4 Chinese Fan Palms that were outside at 9 deg F cold for one night.

First pic is one that over wintered last year but with late spring snows was stunted in it's re growth and it and one other just had bags of mulch for protection.
Fronds have turned a lighter green color now, but newer shoots from the ground look good still.

2nd pic just shows how I'm going to cover it this year. Christmas lights and a large semi transparent storage tote. This palm gets a lot of sun.

Other two in the ground faces the West, but with garage in the way get limited sun...if at all. Small one was has been in the ground since last year and over wintered same as one above. Other larger CFP was just put in ground this spring and is almost total shade. Neither of these two suffered any damage at all from the cold.

Last pic in the pot, has now suffered some discoloration, but new spears looking just fine. This palm I've had for years and just over winters in the garage.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:32 pm

Looks like it got milder just in time, Scott.
Hope it's just superficial damage.

With a bit more age, those CFP against the wall will do even better with an early cold snap.

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:01 am

You might call that a green freeze,I think the leaves are freeze dried,
looks like the spear is going to pull in that last shot-having a the blades
close up and discolor like that is a tell tale sign..

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:32 pm

All I can do is leave them alone in the garage for the winter. Soil is still moist enough, and I've learned the hard way it's best to let things dry out a bit over the Winter.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:02 pm

Yea,they wont need water until its warm out again.

Almost the same temps 22F there 23F here.

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