Transplanting CIDP ... it might die now!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:47 am

Shouldn't have tried this by myself...bloody heavy even though roots were dry as a bone.
Couldn't find a pot big enough so I've resorted to a new garbage can for its new home.
This was the CIDP that was bent over (hard) at the soil line, and wouldn't go back into an upright position a couple of years ago.

The pictures'll say it all:

And then it broke!

I doubt it'll live without THESE roots:

Weather got really nice again, so brought plants out of the barely-heated building again.
The CIDP looked a little wilted the next day so I cut off the lower fronds after I took the picture.
It looked a bit better two days later.

I could not imagine how heavy the CIDP was, so I'll wait for help before I dig the trachy out of the ground.
What I've done to the CIDP will be a real test for the effectiveness of Thrive!
Barb

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:40 am

bummer. I have dug a CIDP out of the ground the last 2 years and put it in a container to overwinter in my basement under lights. They are tough palms. They grow thousands of these little fibrous roots , I slice right through them, cut the root ball in half and put them in a container, throw some dirt around the outside, pack it in and water well and they never miss a beat. No sulking, no browning of fronds, etc. Yours lost a lot of root mass, but don't give up. Hoes that for a pep talk.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:22 am

Very encouraging.
Glad to hear that yours didn't sulk after cutting HALF the fibrous roots off.

Amazed at how many roots this guy had after transplanting two years ago.
I couldn't believe how dry this palm was.
Every couple of weeks I would let a garden hose run until plant was flooded and water came out the bottom.
But on transplant day, the "Soil" was just like powder. Strange.

Thanks for this!

Barb

macario · Post by **macario** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:56 am

I bought a 15 gallon CIDP this spring and I put it in a 31 inch pot with a 30% manure 70% sand and crushed yellow lava rock mix. I figured when it started to get cold I could just take it out and put it in a smaller pot and indoors for the winter. Yesterday I went to pull it out of the pot and It would not move! I tipped the pot over on its side I figured it would loosen the soil and come out. I couldnt believe the roots had grown 4x there original size. I had to trim back some roots also and was very scared last night. I spoke with the place that I bought it from and he said the same thing that it should have no problems being transplanted. I was also very pleased to see the posts here today saying the same thing

The grower told me to keep the roots very warm and they will bounce back.

Heres a pic of my daughter next to the CIDP at the begining of april. You see the small 15 gallon pot its in. Now the root growth almost matches the upward leaf growth. The roots are like 2 1/2 to 3 ft long

PALMETTOMAN · Post by **PALMETTOMAN** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:39 pm

Barb,

I've heard their quite hardy and by the the sounds of it, yours should bounce back...

Nice color on it!

The superthrive should help pull it through pull it through..

PS...love the john deere...

I think I need me one of them..

PalmettomanZ6-Ajax, On

Okanagan desert-palms · Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:08 pm

Barb I noticed from your pics that the soil you had it in was top soil. My guess it was so dry was the although you drenched it was running down the sides of your pot and not through middle of your roots. Sand ,pebbles ,bark mulch should amend that top soil for excellent drainage and a healthier root mass in the middle of your palm. Just my opinion. Hope it makes it through for you.

John

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:16 am

macario, what the grower told you makes me hopeful this guy'll spring back.
I also was amazed how long the roots were. Frost threatened last night so put it inside, today will be nice so it'll go back out to warm the roots. Your palms look so healthy!

palmettoman, I'd be in massage therapy w/out that tractor. It'll get a real workout next week lifting out the Trachy.
Liftarm cylinders are leaking, so have to work quickly so it doesn't drip hydraulic fluid onto plant roots AAAARGH!!

John, that occurred to me too during the summer, so I trickled sand down the gap between the pot and soil, and pushed it in with a trowel before watering. Obviously I didn't do enough.
You'll be happy to know I added bark mulch to my potting mix this time...after the root mass broke off I knew I didn't have enough bagged soil (a good thing in hindsight).

With the roots just hanging there, had to go fast (as though it could get any DRIER!

) and mixed good quality soil from the yard, sand, and a tractor bucketful of bark mulch to keep the pot a manageable weight.
Glad the bark mulch was the right thing to do! Thanks, always appreciate tips!

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:14 am

Seems to have perked up.

Barb

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:18 am

Looks like that sling in your original pic, put a lot of unwanted pressure where the roots emerge from the trunk. I sure hope it pulls through. Was there a point to removing it from the can and then replanting back in the same can? Soil change or something else I've missed?

Cheers, Barrie.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:10 pm

Sorry Barrie, oops, pictures don't always tell a thousand words.

That first pic the CIDP was already out of its big red plastic pot where it had lived since the
last transplanting a couple of years ago.

With CIDP laying on its side I was trying to slide the reasonably intact rootball into the new garbage can.
Almost gave myself a hernia so switched to tractor/sling.

Figured I could just slide the garbage can under the palm while it's hanging.

Then half the roots (compacted dust) gave way.
I quickly stabbed into the root ball with my trowel to release soil, hoping to save roots.
Some roots must've been 4 to 5 feet long, curled round and round from pot shape.

The almost 45-degree bend in the plant where roots emerge from the trunk has been like that for two years since the last transplanting when a windstorm hit hard after it was repotted.
It's been bent ever since.

This repotting and angling supple roots differently (what's left of 'em), puts it back to vertical.
The woody roots near the soil line (that were bent) I was careful to not break or bend them.

I hope macario's CIDP is OK too after his similar transplanting trouble.
Barb

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:39 am

Bard CIDP's are very tough palms. Yours should recover just fine. When I repot a palm (Or citrus) and the roots get damaged I use vitamin b and a rooting hormone in the waterings. This will help almost any plant with root damage. I had a neighbor give me a Cycad that looked like hell, it was never taken care of and moles destroyed the roots. I cut off all the fronds & used the method above & within a month it was pushing new fronds and the new roots completely filled the pot. I just put it in the ground & it is doing great.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:55 am

Hi Laaz,
The CIDP seems OK a week after transplanting. I do agree with the Vitamin B stuff, it's kept a lot of my "rough" transplants alive.

The only thing that concerned me was that it was going into a barely-heated building, and I heard after transplanting a CIDP likes warm roots.
Those roots that were left on it anyway

Glad you were able to bring your neighbor's cycad back to life.
Got a pic of it you can post?

Being Canadian, I'm envious of your current 71 F.
We're at 0 C (32F) right now. Brrrrr.

Barb

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:40 am

Barb heres the sago.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:54 pm

That's a beauty, Laaz.
Look at the size of that base

(caudex?)
Maybe 5 or 6 years old ?

Pine straw is such an attractive mulch.
Nice contrast with sago's leaf color.

How fortunate for you that your neighbor doesn't have a green thumb.
Barb

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:58 pm

Barb. Here's what you get when you throw a handfull of fresh CIDP seed in a small pot...

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:59 pm

Laaz ... all or at least 99% of the Phoenix canariensis seed you sent me germinated. They're now in one galon pots.

Cheers, Barrie.

Dean W. · Post by **Dean W.** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:46 pm

How rewarding to have seeds sprouting.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:09 pm

Laaz, that's mind-boggling
maybe you have a Green Hand.

You'll HEAR us when Dean's and my Dypsis seeds pop!

Meantime, the abused CDIP is bouncing back nicely.
Barb

Dean W. · Post by **Dean W.** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:17 pm

Barb,

Don't chat to soon. I dont know know about theses seeds. I may have to send you some others, Damn them flying bats, can't tell what I'm spelling.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:30 pm

Dean I think we have to be patient.
A couple of weeks isn't enough.

Have you found something warm to put them on?
Barb

Dean W. · Post by **Dean W.** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:44 pm

I made a aqurium contraption w/ Christsmas lights.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:04 pm

I would give them 6 months before thinking they might not be good....
Usually takes about a month to germinate with bottom heat. Maybe longer with older seeds.

Have 2 of the aquarium things set up, actually seems to work out rather well

Steve

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:11 pm

Six months...yawn

Jeez, I'll forget what I was growing!

Aquariums are a wonderful idea.
My baggie is on the fireplace hearth ... husband says "it's hot in here".
"no it's not," I say

Barb

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Transplanting CIDP ... it might die now!

Transplanting CIDP ... it might die now!

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