google srteet views after the "big freeze"

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:28 am

lucky1 wrote:
palms are grown that way (sold). They take like a 10 tall palm, dig it up and than replant it at an angle,
wait and than replant them again, and so makes the bend(s).
That's sure labor-intensive.
But they probably get extra $.

Barb

That's mainly if they want a double kink, most of the time the landscapers plant the palm at a 45deg angel and brace it until the roots grow in.
I wish I would have taken pics, maybe I have a pic from Yuma with the palms braced. I thought it looked dump when I first seen it,
but now you see them doing it all over the place. I guess anything to make the landscaping different than the neighbors.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:02 pm

Not a street view but a link that shows cactus in Mexico froze in habitat.
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/86847138

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:10 pm

Ugh...
photo date was Mar 2013, obviously a real cold spell last winter.
Not a lot of live ones around there.

Barb

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:52 am

I remember a lot of Az. guys on another forum posting impressive list of dead plants last yr. I think the cold front was wide spread. Hate to see older native cacti getting hit though.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:35 am

lucky1 wrote:Ugh...
photo date was Mar 2013, obviously a real cold spell last winter.
Not a lot of live ones around there.

Barb

I don't think it was that cold that far south in Mexico last winter, I believe that damage was done from the 2011 winter.
Some places in Mexico seen temps as low as -10f or so I seen on google weather temps that year (very rare there) zone 10.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:41 am

A -10F in zone 10? Holy Ice Cubes!

That must've been a one-in-100-years event then!

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:25 am

lucky1 wrote:A -10F in zone 10? Holy Ice Cubes!

That must've been a one-in-100-years event then!

Barb

I think your right, must of been for that kind of damage to accrue on native plants.

Of course this was only from my observation from what I seen that morning when watching the weather on Google earth,
or could have been from Wunderground.
-10F Bisbee AZ, and -10F all the way down to Chihuahua MX.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:01 pm

-10F Bisbee AZ, and -10F all the way down to Chihuahua MX.

And that lake would normally have moderated cold temperatures too.
Incredible temperatures.

Bet the residents were thinking Ice Age cometh.

So tough for native plants to recover in a harsh environment.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:26 am

More proof that the 2011 big freeze was not normal? 100 year freeze or longer, I hope!
organ pipe cactus many, many dead (probably thousands) from cold spell. Never recover in our life time.
Look at the Google-Maps pics around the big reservoir just east of Nacozari de Garcia, MX
Any cactus before 2011 looks green and fine, after 2011 skeletons or almost completely dead.

2008, cactus look healthy
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/37366929

See the dead cactus on the right of the power poles, after 2011 (same cactus as above)
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/60225892

Looks around and you will see more of the same. This was environmentally devastating,
but the news and science don't seem to care. I wonder how many other native plants died.
OK...I will try not to beat this dead horse any more.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:54 am

Cool that you discovered the before/after photos, Aaron.
And the cactus could've been 100 years old too.
No saguaros around there either.

Yeah, sad indeed.
Looks like deciduous shrubs are destined to be the only plants that survive 100 year cold records.

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:58 am

I should also state that the "big freeze" Feb 2 2011, because there is healthy cactus pic Jan 2011.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:02 pm

lucky1 wrote: No saguaros around there either.

Barb

I think they don't go that far east, but I think they would have done better.
Saguaro's are found wild in zone 9 areas, and organ-pipe cactus are mostly found in Zone 10 areas.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:52 pm

Plus the saguaros are smarter (sorry).

speaking of brains..or lack...avatar's gone nanners.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:49 pm

lucky1 wrote: speaking of brains..or lack...avatar's gone nanners.

Mine or yours? Yours looks like it's working.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:51 am

Yup, back to normal again.
Even the weather stickers bombed en masse yesterday, but they're back up again today.
Must've been the heavy snowload

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:44 am

The biggest Brahea armata I have seen in SE AZ, at least in cold country. The flowers made me look or I would have thought it was filifera.
https://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=31. ... 76,,1,-5.2

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:48 am

That's a prize specimen, wow!

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:56 am

lucky1 wrote:That's a prize specimen, wow!

Barb

I wonder how old, I hope one day to have one half that size.

My baby might see it that big.

905palms · Post by **905palms** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:17 am

Those are troopers. That Sabal P. behind it looks a little damaged also, but seems to have shrugged it off.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:47 pm

905palms wrote:Those are troopers. That Sabal P. behind it looks a little damaged also, but seems to have shrugged it off.

The image is june 2013, the winter before got down to 5-6f. So those plants took -2f in 2011 winter and than a 6f in the 2011-2012 winter.
Not bad after two bad winters in a row. Not sure, but I think the other palm is a robusta.