Trachy, pindo zone 6b...possible?

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:01 pm

Hello:) I am new to this forum, I live right outside Wichita, Kansas (zone 6b, very near zone 7) and I was wondering if anyone here has had any luck growing a Trachy or Pindo in zone 6...obviously, they would need winter protection, but is this even possible? I currently own a 4-5 foot tall Windmill I am hoping to plant this spring. Any tips? Thanks:)

seedscanada · Post by **seedscanada** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:26 am

Hey welcome. I am in zone 7a. But we hit -7f a few weeks ago with the article blast puts us back to 6a/6b. Even if that cold was only for two hours, I think I have encountered my first casualty of the arctic blast. My largest trunking Yucca faxoniana has taken a major hit... All the leaves are soft and floppy

But my unheated yet boxed Trachycarpus fortunei is looking great
My poorly heated pindo is alive but fried... It should recover

All my other plants and palms are doing great. In fact, my Medjool date in a double insulated and heated box have been growing in there!

In any case, your chances are good.

P.S. The arctic blast had us below freezing for 99 hours straight. Longest stretch in years!

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:36 am

Welcome!

Yes the trachy will be ok during most winters, with some form of protection. The butia will make a nice potted palm you can bring out in warm weather and put up in cold. They're are probably the hardiest pinnate palm, but still far lacking in hardiness than a hardy fan palm. Note that I am not saying it's impossible, just difficult to protect once the palm gets larger. I would focus more on needles (Rhapidophyllum hystrix), dwarf palmetto ( Sabal minor), and trachies. Heavier protection for the first three years at least , then possibly backing off a bit once established. Like Adam stated, our USDA zones are based on a 30 year average of lowest lows. So if you're 6b, you should expect 6a some years, and 7a some years. With rare excursions colder, and warmer. However, the USDA climate zone doesn't directly address duration of freezes, amount of winter precip, radiational heating, etc. That all makes a difference. It's why a 6b in Witchita is different than a 6b in Albuquerque. Abq can grow Mexican fan palms with little difficulty, but me, just north of the 7b line, cannot. All things to consider, LOL!

I have never seen them, but hardy palm lore says there's a church in Wichita with Sabal minor ("McCurtain") growing there. Legend has it, they took -24F and lived. Is this true, and if so, have you seen them?

EDIT : Maybe Albuquerque isn't such a good comparison city, it seems they've moved up to a higher zone than I thought. But the point is, is that even though cities may have the same USDA zone, they can be far, far different in actual climate.
EDIT2: Santa Fe, NM would be a better example of a similar zone city, but very different climate than Wichita.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:16 am

Hi KS, welcome aboard!

Steve (KNNN) is near Beverly, Kansas (I think), but he's not on here much.
He's got a Washy outside, winter protected.

Hopefully he'll chime in here again.

Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:30 am

Welcome!
I mostly want to "ditto" what KrisK said: best bets are needle palms, dwarf palmettos and Trachycarpus; plan on protecting them all, and electric heat for the Trachy.

I managed to keep Butia alive in the ground in Oklahoma but it was quite an effort. I 2nd KisK's suggestion of growing in a pot. Pot plant (stick the whole pot in a hole in the ground) each March/April (they can take some cold) and dig it up each October/November and bring it in.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:43 pm

Welcome !

I'm north of Salina, KS, been down to -12F so far this winter.
Have a robusta and a Trachy in ground, a basic shelter of 1/2 foam board on a wood frame, so far so good

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:21 pm

Just goes to show you how the same zone can be so different. most 6B people on here had double digit lows but I only got to -5 for 1 day has not been in the single digits or negatives since then. Checked out a huge "mccurtain" today that gets no protection here and it was prestine. I know of a local Butia that has seen 8F and made it. There is a 16ft queen palm left out this yeah with plastic and heat tape. I will take some pics when they pull off the plastic. the 2 16ft washys beside it as well.

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:02 pm

Thanks for the tips, everyone! Feeling more optimistic!! I think I'll stick to Trachys and S Minor, and yes, I have seen the Sabals at the church in Wichita, for those that know the area, it is right west of the I-135/Kellogg Freeway interchange in downtown. The palms are visible from the highway.

teebee · Post by **teebee** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:30 am

ks,

Welcome aboard. You should have no issues with Trachy's or sabals with the right protection. I'm just outside Toronto in a 6A zone and I've been down to -13F this year several times and on warm days (mid to high 30's F) I've been pulling of the protection and looking in on my plants and they look as good as the day I boxed them up in October. A couple other members Beny and Mike are from the Ottawa and Montreal areas zone 5A have been doing palms for years and they regularly get down to the -22F area and their palms certainly live on.

What I do is use 2" Styrofoam on top of a 2x2 frame and a various amount of C9 Christmas lights (25 for a box >8 feet, 15 for a 4 foot box and 5 for any of my rose cones) The lights get triggered by a TC3 thermocube. This is my first winter doing all of this but so far everything looks very successful. I'll know for sure in the spring.

Good Luck!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:33 am

Steve, that robusta looks fabulous.
Well done!

Barb

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:29 pm

It got up to 70F today, so I placed my potted Trachy out where I'm wanting to plant it this spring, I was wondering, however, if it is alright to mulch around base of the tree, or would this encourage fungal growth and rot?

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:08 am

Good advice from everybody!
I looked and think I found the fabled wichita minors using your info, on Google streetview! Is it a Nazarene church?

Yes mulch is beneficial. It insulates the roots from heat and cold, plus helps prevent evaporative losses.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:35 am

KrisK, can you do a screen grab to show us?

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:09 am

That's a nice looking Trachy, KS, and a great spot for it.

Ditto the mulch reply.

Barb

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:24 pm

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:49 pm

KrisK, can't see your picture, but as there are not many palms in Wichita, I imagine you have the correct location;) Update on my Trachy, I moved it back outside today, however, we had a good 20 mph wind from the north (left in the picture) and it seemed to cause some drooping...will winds harm this palm?:/

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:15 am

Sorry, I had it listed as "private" on my Flickr. Let's see if I fixed it.

Wind won't hurt it. Wind may cause mechanical damage to the leaflets and cause the droop. Purely cosmetic though. Continuous cold winds can dessicate the fronds I suppose, but you're not leaving it out long enough for that to occur.

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:29 am

Wow, Kris! It's awesome pics show! Well done!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:39 am

My big Trachy looked like hell, summer and winter, until I moved it out of its howling winds location.
Got as shredded looking as banana plants do in wind.

IMO, roots should never be the same temp, summer and winter, as the tops.

I'd move it to a sheltered spot against the house.

Barb

coconutmike · Post by **coconutmike** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:14 pm

Hello KS these videos are for you-- palms and pindo palms in zone 5b different years totally possible for you
enjoy
mike
http://youtu.be/0knWbSmRVcM
http://youtu.be/tHGnaikMZ74

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:30 pm

I just thought I'd thank you all! This community has really raised my optimism about growing these plants that my family and friends are telling me are impossible to grow here...hopefully I'll show them!!

kcpalms · Post by **kcpalms** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:18 am

What an awesome hobby growing palms is! This will be my 5th season in KC and I love it!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:38 am

an awesome hobby growing palms is

Ditto that.
Even with the disappointments.

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:42 pm

I agree!! I'm going to Oklahoma City to buy a couple Sabal louisiana tomorrow:)) The things we do for palms:)

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:44 pm

Hah! Cool!!
So did you talk to Don? What size are they? They're rock solid plants, no doubt.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:08 am

Have fun!
I posted an account of my trip there to buy the Sabal "Lou" KrisK now has:
viewtopic.php?t=2910

The photos are no longer available, alas.

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:47 pm

Dunno if you saw this picture before, please forgive if it's a repeat, kspalmguy, but it's the Louisiana sabal Erik gave me that came from Alligator Alley.

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I've got my size 12 flipflop there for scale. I wonder if Bryan has any faxon yucca still? They're on the alligator alley webpage still. I went to the store when he wasn't there and nobody knew anything about plants that day. Is OKC Don still around? I know he was trying to grow a tasty cold hardy citrus tree and had moved on from palms.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:40 pm

very nice..is that a stuttgart poking up behind it?

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:57 pm

That's a nice looking Lou ya got there!! Bryan didn't have any Louisianas that were small enough to fit in my car, so I settled for a couple S. Minor McCurtain;) I do, however, plan on returning with a pickup truck this spring;) I didn't ask if he had any yucca, he told me he has not updated the webpage in years... Btw...his bamboo-surrounded Trachy is going gangbusters!

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:00 pm

Glad to hear his Trachies out back are alive and well. My recollection is that he doesn't protect them. Did you ask?

As for your Sabal minor, they will do great for you! But, will do better if you do protect them.

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:20 pm

He protected the trachy with heat tape and what looked like plastic-covered fiberglass insulation...I can post a picture later...it looked amazing though!

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:46 pm

Thanks. Yup good eye, mike. I've got to move the canna because the white variegated part roasts in our sun. That's a texas Redstar hardy hibiscus keeping time with the canna and sabal. Not to be confused with one of Oklahoma's cash crops LOL!

KrisK · Post by **KrisK** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:56 pm

Sounds like a good haul, glad you got some good palms!
Post pics, we love pics especially sabal minor! They're my fave!

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:27 pm

Here's some pictures of his Trachy, I didn't get any pictures of his outdoor Minors:/ However, when my young Minors pop open, I will definitely post pics:))

dukeofdoom · Post by **dukeofdoom** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:35 pm

What type of bamboo is that?

kspalmguy · Post by **kspalmguy** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:48 pm

That's a very good question, I meant to ask but completely forgot! Maybe someone who knows bamboo better than myself can shed some light on this?

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:15 pm

so many types so many possibilitys..it does have a very large culm size though. might be easier to ask them though

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Trachy, pindo zone 6b...possible?

Trachy, pindo zone 6b...possible?

Hello and welocome KS