Beginning the germination process! - Part II

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:16 pm

I had started an earlier thread (part I), which can be found here: viewtopic.php?t=3519&start=0 . Please post any replies to either topic in this thread, as it will help keep PalmsNorth running smoothly!

E. pauciflora ssp. debeuzevillei seedlings, taken last week:

Pomegranates:

Cameron.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:29 am

nice crop of E. deb's. Are you planning to separate them and do a mass planting? This will be a nice test for your area.

A few photos of some seedlings taken 2 minutes ago LOL.

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I think I need a bigger yard!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:37 am

I think I need a bigger yard!

Both of you guys need acreage.

Well done.

I'm down to two pomegranates, not sure how to grow these except full sun.
Pinched off the bottom leaves to get more of a "standard" look with a trunk for a future patio pot.
Any hints of what fertilizer is best for poms?

Good idea Cameron with Part II of the topic.

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:40 am

Noticed that the brownish tips on the Jubaea seedlings are the sheath for the first leaf.

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And here's the Pomegranate that germinated this winter.

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Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:30 pm

Nice Pomy Barb. I like your idea of creating a standard out of it. I'll proably do the same with some of the Crape Myrtles I have.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:48 am

Thanks Tim.

Standards take up so little space on a patio, plus it's fun to do and looks good in containers.
Crape myrtles would be stunning trained to standards.

Noticed at nurseries standards are always so much more expensive than the same plant in a bush version.

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:51 am

Jubaea chilensis (blue) pushing second leaf:

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In a "jury-rigged" 12-inch pot.
What pot size should I now go to?

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Barb

Jubaea · Post by **Jubaea** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:26 pm

You have a nice Jubaea there for its first year Barb already working on its second leaf. I think you can leave it in that size pot for 1-2 more years as it probabbly only has 1-2 roots so far. I have 3 year old Jubaeas in a 4inch wide by 14inc tall pot and they are still doing well.

Dylan

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:31 pm

Great shots Barb & Tim! I will post some updated pics soon

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:48 am

Thanks Dylan for confirming I can leave it in the 12 inch homemade pot.
I see a white root at the drain hole so was wondering.

Can you post a pic of your 4-inch x 14-inch pot?
Have never seen any.

Cameron, look forward to seeing seedling updates, especially the Nannorhops ritchiana.
Mine croaked

Barb

Jubaea · Post by **Jubaea** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:55 am

Barb here is the link to the site I got mine from. They have a wide variety of different size pots and accessories including pictures of them. http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.php

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:01 am

Thanks for that great link Dylan.
Will try to find a Canadian supplier as they'd probably arrive as confetti across the border.

I had previously searched for "palm seedling pots".
See now that the search term should've been "tree pots", which makes sense.

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:44 pm

Barb, Dylan has posted a great link there. I have contacted Stuewe regarding ordering in the past, and even including shipping their prices still beat any here in Canada (for the quantity of pots I was looking for at least

).

Jubaea · Post by **Jubaea** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:16 am

The tall pots have been working out well for my seedling cycads and palms. They require less frequent irrigation for young plants as well as taking up much less space. I got some of the crates designed for their pots so that the seedlings are easy to store and don't tip over.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:11 am

Cameron_z6a_N.S. wrote:Barb, Dylan has posted a great link there. I have contacted Stuewe regarding ordering in the past, and even including shipping their prices still beat any here in Canada (for the quantity of pots I was looking for at least ).

When I first glanced at this I thought it said Bob Dylan

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:22 am

After a fruitless search on eBay.ca, I ordered 100 of the 14-inch tall "TP414" from Dylan's link: Stuewe in Oregon.
2 inches taller than my Big Slurp 7/11 cups.
They even have 30-inch pots!!! (at bottom of this page)

http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.php

They immediately emailed me and confirmed they'd ship to Canada, also offering "part-cases".
Shipping from Oregon to BC is approx $45 for UPS, and pots are about 41 cents each.

I was really impressed with their customer service.

The only very small downside is they don't use PayPal for secure payment, but VISA was accepted over the phone (gulp

).

Thanks Dylan!!!!
(no, not BOB DYLAN....

)

Barb

RoboCaesar · Post by **RoboCaesar** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:08 pm

My dad picked up some seeds from under a palm tree at Manhattan Beach, CA. Any idea what they are? I suspect some sort of King Palm, but I'm not sure. Here's a picture:

http://i.imgur.com/DMCs5.jpg

I can post more pictures and dissect one of the seeds if necessary! Also, if it helps, my hands aren't that big.

Jubaea · Post by **Jubaea** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:59 pm

Barb, I had trouble finding tall pots untill I bought a few palms that came in pots with Stuewe's name on them. I got some of the TP414 for my 100+ sago palms I grew from seed and some other seedlings and young palms. I also got some TP616 for some of the larger palms. I have tried germinating seeds in the pots but several germinated seedlings rotted so it is probabbly best to wait for the first leaf to put them in the tree pots.

Many people think of Bob Dylan when they hear Dylan.

Jubaea · Post by **Jubaea** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:01 pm

RoboCaesar those seeds look like they could be Archontophoenix or kings probabbly Archontophoenix cuninhamiana as these are planted everwhere in Southern Coastal California.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:50 pm

Here are a few pics taken last week:

Loquat:

E. p. ssp. debeuzevillei:

Kiwis:

Older kiwis:

T. "Tesan", Citrus, Hedychium, and A. neomexicana:

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:19 am

Great successes you've got there, Cameron.

I think I see a palm seedling in the debeuzevillei

How are your Nannorhops ritchiana doing? Mine all croaked, unfortunately.

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:28 pm

Barb, I scattered some T. fortunei seeds around, one of them must have gotten mixed in eith the Eucs

I will post a pic soon of my largest N. ritchiana. They are definitely tougher to grow; I have tried to keep them warm and dry, but some of them ended up dying from too little water!

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:52 pm

Did you order those kiwi seeds, or did you grow.em at random from fruit?

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:13 pm

Canadianplant, I just grew them from grocery store fruit seeds. They sprouted very easily and grew really fast!

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:20 pm

Hibiscus coccineus, red and white:

Outdoor "germination bed". I just throw seeds in here and see what comes up

In this one I've got some type of tree (Paulownia?), pomegranate, kiwi, paw paw, Aloe sp., etc:

Another bed with Trachycarpus, Agave montana and A. parryi ssp. parryi, pomegranate, kiwi, etc:

Zantedeschia albomaculata:

Y. aloifolia from Damir:

Albizia julibrissin:

Plumeria, Citrus, Canna "Robert Kemp", Samanea saman, etc:

Baobab and Macadamia:

Dragonfruit:

Welwitschia mirabilis:

That's all for now!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:31 am

You take the prize for number of species germinated, Cameron.
Nice work.

My pomegranates, germinated last winter, have stopped growing at 1 foot tall.
Summer heat nearly fried them in their pots.

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:07 pm

Barb, we might have opposite problems with the pomegranates then! My area has to worry about getting ENOUGH summer heat for them

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:27 pm

nice update Cameron. Your Loquat is planted in the ground? Keep us updated on the Loquat.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:52 pm

here's an update on a few of the seeds Cameron sent me:

A few aloes species:
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Close up on Aloe
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Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:58 pm

Tim, those look fantastic! Are the larger ones A. ecklonis? Did the Protea survive?

I have 4 or 5 loquats planted in the ground, and will keep you updated on how they do over the winter.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:48 pm

Sheesh, Tim, seed updates usually show seedlings no taller than a thimble.
You've got some magic for growing stuff.
Well done.

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:40 am

Are the larger ones A. ecklonis?

Yes.......those are in year 2 now. They really took off this season......they were somewhat tiny going into last winter.

Did the Protea survive?

The Protea died after I transplanted them.......like 2 weeks later. I did not even disturb the roots/soil from the old container. The soil I placed them in must have been totally different? Not sure what happended. I was upset since they survived the winter in my garage with no issues.

I have 4 or 5 loquats planted in the ground, and will keep you updated on how they do over the winter.

Keep us updated on their progress. I'll probably plant one of my loquats outside in spring.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:52 pm

Tim, in a couple of years you should really consider trying those A. ecklonis outdoors with excellent moisture protection. I have heard that they are hardy close to a zone 7a. Protea can be really tough to start from seed. Hopefully I'll be getting some more seeds soon, and will send you a few.

Kiwis:

Loquats. The closer one is a little over 1', and the further one is close to 1' tall:

The Halifax area has had highs of 16 C and 18 C over the past two days, so the loquats are still putting out new leaves! The low so far this season has been -6 C, and that fried a lot of my outdoor plants.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:08 am

Hi Cameron,

those hardy kiwis look great. Your Loquats are about the same size as mine.

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Perhaps I'll plant out one of the Aloes next spring and see what happens. I was at Steve's garden in New Jersey (hardy palm board) a few weeks ago and he had a couple Aloe aristatas outside. Nice to see.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:27 pm

Tim, that's good to hear. You're right, the loquats are about the same size.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:28 pm

Hi Cameron,

here's an update showing the damage on the Aloe plants from a brief drop to 23F. I think they too much moisture in our climate and loose a lot of their hardiness.

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Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:50 pm

Tim, I think you're right about the moisture.

I've recently germinated some Sabal species (brazoria, domingensis, palmetto, etc) with no bottom heat. They were placed outdoors during the summer, but were brought inside before germination. I'll post some pics soon!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:19 am

Some sources say not to let Aloes go below 45F so,
I would say your doing alright there

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:34 am

recently germinated some Sabal species (brazoria, domingensis, palmetto, etc) with no bottom heat.

Yes pics please.

Cameron, I'm curious how long it took for your Nannorhops ritchiana to pop last year.
Unfortunately the N. seedlings I got from you all croaked.

not to let Aloes go below 45F

My "dune" aloe is in the cold building and looks great.
It looks worse in summer in full sun and hot winds, often bone dry too.

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:59 pm

Jim, normally I would agree! But one species, A. ecklonis, is from some of the highest mountains in the Drakensberg range. This species is supposed to be zone 7 hardy, but I think soil moisture plays a big role in this aloe's hardiness!

Barb, out of all of the seeds that I de-lidded, N. ritchiana was one of the fastest to germinate. I had the bottom heat somewhere around 30 - 35 C. Send me a PM!