Winter Project: Palms, Bamboo and Others
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Winter Project: Palms, Bamboo and Others
Winter is a hard time for us gardeners. This year, Ive decided to get some seeds to sprout. So far I have some brugs, Ginkgo Biloba and Agave Montana sprouted, and Yucca Glauca and Filamentosa, Dawn redwood, and black pepper seeds sown. I have also ordered the following species:
Needle Palm
Bamboo Palm
Fargesia Yunnanensis
Fargesia Fungosa
Fargesia Spathacea ( more then likley F nitida. The taxonomy for Fargesia is crazy, but this one is worse!)
more Dawn redwood
Agave Utahensis var Utahensis
I may or may not be adding to this list.
Needle Palm
Bamboo Palm
Fargesia Yunnanensis
Fargesia Fungosa
Fargesia Spathacea ( more then likley F nitida. The taxonomy for Fargesia is crazy, but this one is worse!)
more Dawn redwood
Agave Utahensis var Utahensis
I may or may not be adding to this list.
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You're gonna grow black pepper?
Isn't that akin to knitting your own toilet paper?
BTW, when do you want the Spartan branches sent?
Barb
Isn't that akin to knitting your own toilet paper?
BTW, when do you want the Spartan branches sent?
Barb
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LOL, It isnt that weird to try to grow your own pepper. And FYI, the bamboo is for toilet paperlucky1 wrote:You're gonna grow black pepper?
Isn't that akin to knitting your own toilet paper?
BTW, when do you want the Spartan branches sent?
Barb
I totally forgot about the apple cuttings. After my moms surgery the last few months have been a blur.... Ill take them when ever you can send them. I jsut needed to wait till they were dormant (im pretty sure they are now ). I probably only need 4 or 5 pencil sized branches...... Jus tlet me know the shipping and ill send you that !
I appreciate the reminder barb!
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Hope your Mom's health is improving...
I'll PM you for your address, the Spartan apple tree is definitely dormant.
I'll PM you for your address, the Spartan apple tree is definitely dormant.
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lucky1 wrote:You're gonna grow black pepper?
Isn't that akin to knitting your own toilet paper?
BTW, when do you want the Spartan branches sent?
Barb
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PICS!!!
The "grow room"
Black Locust (with a cameo by the italian fig)
Fargesia (borinda) fungosa
Fargesia (borinda, sinarundinaria etc) Yunannensis:
Fargesia spathacea (or possibly F Nitida)
Black Locust (with a cameo by the italian fig)
Fargesia (borinda) fungosa
Fargesia (borinda, sinarundinaria etc) Yunannensis:
Fargesia spathacea (or possibly F Nitida)
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A good one! Is there enough light in the grow room? Perhaps your Gleditia iis germinating too early. You have to give A VERY GOOD light for them. Don't keep a temperature too high for them... Keep all your bamboo away off spider mites. Keep them water misting.
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Have not covered my Sequoia or Black bamboo yet.
Sequoia always discolors(at least)but the bamboo is still green.
So far
Sequoia always discolors(at least)but the bamboo is still green.
So far
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What're you using for heat, Jesse?
germinating mats?
Barb
germinating mats?
What do you think the kill temp of a young Sequoia would be?Have not covered my Sequoia
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Barb- RE: Sequoia, depends on the type, apparenlty the 'blue' form is hardier, but I've not tried it so i can't say. I think that around -25c would totally top-kill a small Sequoia... Anyone else care to guess?
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Igor - The locust is Pseudoacacia, not honey locust I have bad luck with starting things too late, so I started these early. The window sill they are on is pretty chilly.
Jim - The ratings are back n fourth, but I believe the "kill temp" is somewhere between -20C and -25C. They had some trees in pennsylvania a few hundred years ago that were "native". I usually see it rated zone 6 or sometimes 5.
Barb - No heat The furnace vent is below that shelf. The room stays about...... 70F, maybe a bit warmer when the door is shut.
Jim - The ratings are back n fourth, but I believe the "kill temp" is somewhere between -20C and -25C. They had some trees in pennsylvania a few hundred years ago that were "native". I usually see it rated zone 6 or sometimes 5.
Barb - No heat The furnace vent is below that shelf. The room stays about...... 70F, maybe a bit warmer when the door is shut.
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So Jim's sequoia sounds OK ... it'd be toast HERE today.
Will post on new topic.
Barb
There's a Q there that I've always wanted to ask; same apparently with BLUE palms.apparently the 'blue' form is hardier
Will post on new topic.
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Jeese, don't you have Robinia pseudoacacia in Thunder bay nurseries? Sorry for misunderstanding (Black vs Honey Locust). It seems the Black one should be common in SW Ontario... It's hardy down to minus 35C.
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It happens!igor.glukhovtsev wrote:Jeese, don't you have Robinia pseudoacacia in Thunder bay nurseries? Sorry for misunderstanding (Black vs Honey Locust). It seems the Black one should be common in SW Ontario... It's hardy down to minus 35C.
I have never seen any locust here in nurseries. I dont believe i have seen any locust planted here either. Theres always time to start, I dont need 20 seedlings!
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It's too bad. What particularly woodies do you have there (in nurseries)?canadianplant wrote: I have never seen any locust here in nurseries.
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Hmmm... I have not had a chance to see some of them, but generally its maples (most common ones except big leaf maple (acer macrophylla) and Japanese maple)), ash, linden (basswood), choke cherry, dog wood, some oak, tons of pine and cedar, Fruit trees (apples, plum and pie cherry), ornamental pear (I have not seen a single production pear tree here, although they are supposedly hardy here), larch, aspen, willow, birtch (tons of birtch)... Here is a good list of the native species here, and other boreal forests!! (although, the forest a few km inland from the lake is mixed hardwood (maple, birtch, pine, oak etc)!!
http://www.borealforest.org/edresc.htm
http://www.borealforest.org/edresc.htm
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There have been a couple trees that I thought werent here, but turned out to be everywhere..... either way..hardyjim wrote:You can be the Johnny Locust seed of your generation.
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My giant sequoia had been planted outside at 14" tall/ 3 years old and received -17c temps a few times and had minimal if any damage. At 18"/ 4years old it experienced -20c and had even less cold damage. now it is 5 years/ 26" tall and our cold est day this year has been -12c and needless to say, zero damage.
Gleditsia triacanthos (honey locust) and Robinia pseudoacacia (black locust) are widely planted in the Niagara and Hamilton Ontario areas. They aren't too finicky with soils, establish well, and if I recall correctly, are tolerant of pollution. I'm sure I have a few thousand honey locust seeds in the garage and there is a black locust seedling growing near here near the sidewalk. I remember, big leaf, little pods (Robinia). Little leaf, yellowy; big pods (Honey locust).
The little Black locust at my gym, last tree to lose its leaves, this was taken Dec. 9 2011
Adam
Gleditsia triacanthos (honey locust) and Robinia pseudoacacia (black locust) are widely planted in the Niagara and Hamilton Ontario areas. They aren't too finicky with soils, establish well, and if I recall correctly, are tolerant of pollution. I'm sure I have a few thousand honey locust seeds in the garage and there is a black locust seedling growing near here near the sidewalk. I remember, big leaf, little pods (Robinia). Little leaf, yellowy; big pods (Honey locust).
The little Black locust at my gym, last tree to lose its leaves, this was taken Dec. 9 2011
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I wasnt too sure if I should order honey or black locust. I guess the spines won me overseedscanada wrote: Gleditsia triacanthos (honey locust) and Robinia pseudoacacia (black locust) are widely planted in the Niagara and Hamilton Ontario areas. They aren't too finicky with soils, establish well, and if I recall correctly, are tolerant of pollution. I'm sure I have a few thousand honey locust seeds in the garage and there is a black locust seedling growing near here near the sidewalk. I remember, big leaf, little pods (Robinia). Little leaf, yellowy; big pods (Honey locust).
The little Black locust at my gym, last tree to lose its leaves, this was taken Dec. 9 2011
Adam
Im going to use it as a "chop and drop" tree, or also called a pollard tree. Since black locust fixes atmospheric nitrogen, and also is concidered a "nutrient accumulator", I can use the cut branches, stems and leaves and mulch, which puts nutrients into the soil. Also, since it tends to sucker, especially when cut, I can cut down the saplings to use as poles and supports for plants. This will keep it small as well.
I know a few people who will take some seedlings. Im also going to give then to the local conservatory. They supply the city with some of their trees and plants (as well as having a huge ass tropical greenhouse!), and im sure they wont mind getting a few freebies!
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I think we are all talking about Sequoiadendron's hardiness not Sequoia......Sequoia is much less hardy. I grew Sequoiadendron in Rhode Island and it's hardier than -20C. There's a specimen in Bristol, Rhode Island which was planted in 1911.......it's seen some pretty bad winter's. In a couple more years Jim's Sequoiadendron will be too large to protect.......we'll find out how hardy it really is!
Also, there are large specimens in Smithfield, RI and Glocester, RI which are colder locations (zone 5b/6a).
Also, there are large specimens in Smithfield, RI and Glocester, RI which are colder locations (zone 5b/6a).
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Im surprised I dont see more people on here growin dawn redwood (metasequoia glyptotroboides). Hardy to zone 4 or 5, is a real redwood, and ws brought back rom extinction!
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TimMAz6 wrote:I think we are all talking about Sequoiadendron's hardiness not Sequoia......Sequoia is much less hardy. I grew Sequoiadendron in Rhode Island and it's hardier than -20C. There's a specimen in Bristol, Rhode Island which was planted in 1911.......it's seen some pretty bad winter's. In a couple more years Jim's Sequoiadendron will be too large to protect.......we'll find out how hardy it really is!
Also, there are large specimens in Smithfield, RI and Glocester, RI which are colder locations (zone 5b/6a).
I didn't protect it last year,haven't this year either.
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Thats right, mine is a giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum), not a coast redwood (Sequoia sempervirens).
Dawn redwood is nice and it is soft and it is neat, but it looks dead in the winter. My neighbour has one and planted it six years ago 8 feet from his house. A mistake in
my opinion, especially once he sees its size in another 4 or 5 years he wont be able to get into his back yard!
Adam
Dawn redwood is nice and it is soft and it is neat, but it looks dead in the winter. My neighbour has one and planted it six years ago 8 feet from his house. A mistake in
my opinion, especially once he sees its size in another 4 or 5 years he wont be able to get into his back yard!
Adam
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Hi Jim,
How much cold has your Sequoiadendron seen? It seems to be getting established now so I'd like to see a nice cold blast!
How much cold has your Sequoiadendron seen? It seems to be getting established now so I'd like to see a nice cold blast!
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Wow thats dumb... They can get 8 foot trunks including the butress roots..... Not to good for the foundation either IMO. They have some big roots!seedscanada wrote:Thats right, mine is a giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum), not a coast redwood (Sequoia sempervirens).
Dawn redwood is nice and it is soft and it is neat, but it looks dead in the winter. My neighbour has one and planted it six years ago 8 feet from his house. A mistake in
my opinion, especially once he sees its size in another 4 or 5 years he wont be able to get into his back yard!
Adam
True they look dead in the winter, but it makes you appreciate it when it leafs back out!
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Here are some updated pics of my bamboo seedlings. The first one is the Fargesia Spathacea. The second one is a pic of the shoots comming off of it. The third is Fargesia Yunannensis.
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Nice work Jesse, coming along nicely.
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pretty cool seeing bamboo seedlings.
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Great job!
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Jesse, a seedling with "the heart shape" leaves is Epimedium, isn't it? Keep your bamboo seedling away from the spider mites!
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Thanks guys.
Tim - Im amazed at the boo seedlings. They are growing faster then I though, and are already shooting just over a month after germination. IF im feeling lucky, I can plant some of them this year, but Im pretty sure Ill hold off till next summer. I suggest you try some fargesia seeds, so far its more then rewarding!
Igor - THey are actually cercis canadiensis (eastern redbud). They are about 2 months old, and are starting to take off liek mad. They arent really anything special, but I have never seen them up here, and have also seen them rated zone 4 (usually 5). JUst an experiment for up here. SOmething to fill in some semi shaded areas.
Also, so far, no plants that i had previously are in that are. Only seed grown plants. There is a small chance id pick up some bugs, but so far nothing *knocks on wood!
Tim - Im amazed at the boo seedlings. They are growing faster then I though, and are already shooting just over a month after germination. IF im feeling lucky, I can plant some of them this year, but Im pretty sure Ill hold off till next summer. I suggest you try some fargesia seeds, so far its more then rewarding!
Igor - THey are actually cercis canadiensis (eastern redbud). They are about 2 months old, and are starting to take off liek mad. They arent really anything special, but I have never seen them up here, and have also seen them rated zone 4 (usually 5). JUst an experiment for up here. SOmething to fill in some semi shaded areas.
Also, so far, no plants that i had previously are in that are. Only seed grown plants. There is a small chance id pick up some bugs, but so far nothing *knocks on wood!
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TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Jim,
How much cold has your Sequoiadendron seen? It seems to be getting established now so I'd like to see a nice cold blast!
We have only seen 2F for a minimum temp this winter..............
The temp is an issue if it is accompanied by high winds,which it usually is.
Tim
This one is the first one I bought,the first one I planted here died because
I forgot/did not mulch the roots enough.
So,I moved this one to that spot.
They are VERY intolerant of ANY root damage/distrurbance and can easily be lost
to transplanting...I was lucky this one made it as it browned out a little when I transplanted it....
BTW
This one experienced 18F it's first winter.
It was covered with a rose cone and stayed perfectly greem through this.
The guy(on e-bay)that I bought it from said they will grow anywhere in the U.S,
they just need to get big enough to produce enough sap,to protect them.
Except the deep south, the deserts/mountains...they need constant access to moisture.
This one has come through the winter undamaged-good timing!
BTW
I can't believe a 5 year old Sequoia woudl not be well over 10'',
they are the fastest growing Conifer on earth
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My seed grown Sequoiadendron. Is six or seven years old and is 22" tall.
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