Giving up

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:05 pm

Terdal Farm is for sale.
http://www.tulsarealtors.com/Residentia ... LS=1117447

Make offer--it comes with an assortment of established cold-hardy palms!

Now the tough part for me. What do I dig up and put in pots to move vs. leave and hope the new owners can keep alive?

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:59 pm

It warmed my heart that the listing realtor thought the "palm garden" was a selling feature
(her photos here: http://www.tulsarealtors.com/Pictures.a ... UM=1117447)
and is hosting an open house for other realtors on Thursday with a tropical beach theme.
Marketing message: vacation in the country!

--Erik

Okanagan desert-palms · Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:27 pm

Erik sorry to hear about selling your ranch? Where is your next place to call home Belize? The tropical Tulsa pictures were a great selling point. I hope it`s not on the market to long for you.

John

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:32 pm

John,
thanks. No, not Belize for another couple of decades, the way our retirement portfolios are doing.
With the recent heat here, moving back to Oregon seems very appealing in the meantime.

Next few years will be in Tulsa, the city. Seeing the amazing things our John Lodes does in a small but urban-heat zone garden was stunning. More zone pushing for me--zone 8 to the north, here we come! --Erik

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:29 pm

Nice place

If I was moving there I would buy it.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:38 pm

Thanks!
Check out OK. You might like it here. Sort of splits the difference between climates in Idaho and Arizona.
Politics to the right of both, though....

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:48 pm

At least you might get some more favourable microclimates in the city!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:12 am

Good luck on your move. I'd dig up your plants.....the next buyer will likely not appreciate them and/or remove them.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:22 am

Thats too bad Eric. Personaly giving up that much land would be liek a punch in the face, but then again, Oregon is just amazing. A totaly different climate to try to push the boundries

IF your up there Eric, check out the Bullock Brothers homestead on orca island ( I think thats where it is), youd be amazed at what they do!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW7LcNAYBWg

I got a feeling youll be inspired

I would dig up anything that is easy to move ( like those Chamedorea LOL think of how much theyd like it iin Oregon!!! ) Mabey even some Bamboo.... Im sure theres a few plants that are a bit favoured then others....

Keep up posted ERic, change is what you make it, seems like your taking it really good

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:43 am

TerdalFarm wrote:Thanks!
Check out OK. You might like it here. Sort of splits the difference between climates in Idaho and Arizona.
Politics to the right of both, though....

I have offten thought that Ok may not be to bad of a place to live.

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:01 am

Sorry to hear you're giving up the ranch...

Best of luck with the move.

JackLord · Post by **JackLord** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:13 am

What is this madness?

That is a nice spread. And it has tropical plants. Hell, I am surprised you did not put up some Eucs. Do you have to leave?

Anyway, I would dig up what you can. Obviously, the larger the palm, the tougher to get out. I dug my first three Trachys up. But I only had to move them 5 miles. Still took a toll, although they all recovered. Transporting them across the country might be risky too. And as they are mentioned in your ad, legal ramifications might come into play.

On the bright side, you can grow a lot more in Oregon including some decent citrus. I was married in Oregon, so I have a connection.

Good luck with the sale.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:56 am

We're broke, financially and physically. We'll be living in an apartment for the next year or two. So, anything dug up will live in a pot for at least a year.

Staying in the ground for sure:
Trachycarpus. They came through winter surprisingly well, and are not expensive to replace.
Needles. Ditto.
Chammie: four years in ground; should make it with defoliation most years.
Butia (avatar): ditto.
Sabal "Louisiana": planted from a 30-gallon trash can and so impossible to dig up; should make it with defoliation most years.
New, large Butia: basically an annual....
Sabal mexicana: a rarity around here and sure to die.

Coming to the apartment for sure:
potted palms, like the triangles and bottles and washies. At least the filifera. I don't like W's robusta, but that will be up to her.

Harder calls:
Well-rooted in C. radicalis (Jesse's faves!)--I'll try to dig them up. Out of three, surely at least one will survive.
CIDP: would definitely die here, but those petioles don't seem apartment-friendly.
C. h. cerifera: pretty, hardy only with protection, but replaceable
Coontie palms: pretty, hardy only with protection, but replaceable. If I'm going to live in an apartment anyway, I can go crazy with tender cycads, right?
Yucca: definitely hardy here, so might as well leave something the new owner can enjoy, right?

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:57 am

Eric

I think a 30g S.Louisiana would look good in your new bathroom...

Good luck selling-nicer place than you let let on

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:06 pm

IF your able to get down a foot and a half, the Radicalis should come right up. They arent to large. ITll be easier then trying to move lots of the other stuff IMO.

Look on the bright side, you only have to worry about drought 60 90 days a year!!!

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:23 pm

Jim,
bathroom: you must have noticed the palm decorating motif there!

Jesse,
any move to Oregon is years away, as I have a kid (age 11) to get through school first. --Erik

JackLord · Post by **JackLord** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:20 am

Sorry to hear that Erik. I think most of us hit a point where have to regroup- go backwards to go forwards again.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:34 am

I had to. Not to that extent, but a 6 hr rush pack and move 3000km accross the country isnt fun

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:22 am

Erik,

I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. You and your family seem like fighters so you'll be ok. Just keep your head high, and stay positive.

Good luck with your move.

Bill

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:41 am

Oh, Erik, I'm so sorry, I know how you and W love that place (except last winter).
It breaks my heart to look at the lists of plants...and just recently new additions that were wonderful.

Sorry, folks, but I've gotta say it: S H I T

There.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:20 pm

WTF Barb,your out of control !

And...crap works just as well.

Erik

Can hang his palms off his new balcony in a plastic(insulated) bag......

Hanging gardens style cold hardy palm gardening......

Potty mouth-WTF

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:58 pm

I'm Going to say it again. I'm sorry Erik and Family. I know you guys will be ok though.

YOUR TOUGH PEOPLE!!!

Things will work out better for you in the long run if you stay positive

Bill

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:08 pm

Bill,
thanks.
There are other issues, but only Mike here knows them (he and W are buddies) and I'd just as soon keep this a palm forum vs. a "bad neighbour" forum.

I'll focus on palms as house-plants for the next year.
Plus, I have the luxury of being able to start palm seeds at work in plant growth chambers and call it research. We are also planning a research greenhouse for my campus and I hope to eventually do palm experiments based on the topics we all like debating here. Kind of like what Francko used to do, but with a Sabal minor focus.

In a year or two, I hope to have a small urban yard and do a pale imitation of what John Lodes has achieved. In a decade, we may move to Oregon, where Trachy are grown as city street trees. Two decades from now, we'll be in Belize and I'll have the world's best Chameadorea collection (Jesse: you'll have to visit). --Erik

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:25 pm

Ok Erik,

I was only trying to help anyways in my PM.

Bill

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:57 pm

Bill,
thanks. Nice to chat on the phone.
Jim,
if you want that "Lou", you can drive down here to dig it up. I'm just saying, a good palm home is hard to find....
--Erik

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:44 am

Hell if I was going anyones way id stop in for a visit! Belize would be the icing on the cake

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:46 am

Jesse,
the Belize Botanic Garden would love to have you as a volunteer for 30 days to help with Chameadorea research. PM me if you think you could spend a month with them. --Erik

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:19 am

Thanks for the offer Eric

If you could see how ridiculous I look walking
around my yard trying to find any spot for
a plant you would know that's not a possibility for me

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:11 am

Jim,
Not enough room?!?
Can I interest you in 7.5 acres? Warmer climate by a zone at least, in a state where palms grow wild? Close to the legendary John? Make an offer....
--Erik

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:48 am

Nice chatting with you to Erik.

Bill

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:42 pm

TerdalFarm wrote:Jim,
Not enough room?!?
Can I interest you in 7.5 acres? Warmer climate by a zone at least, in a state where palms grow wild? Close to the legendary John? Make an offer....
--Erik

-40 is just to cold Erik....besides,where would I plant my Tree ferns?

wxman · Post by **wxman** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:38 pm

I wish you the best man. I'm sure anywhere you go will be palmy.

PhilMusa · Post by **PhilMusa** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:38 pm

Good luck Erik!

I'm sure that all will work out well for you.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:53 pm

Thanks for the support, everyone. This is a difficult time for us. We are trying to use humor to cope....
Jim,
-40? No way! Try -21.7 F officially; surely warmer up here on the hilltop....
(see, I'm getting into the real estate game

)
T-ferns would go up front, just rip out those boxwoods; they'll get morning sun, afternoon shade, great wind protection!

And remember--we got to +78 F a week after that record low of -22 F. See? Very short winter down here....
Make offer!

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:36 am

How about an IOU for about 10 years

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:42 am

TerdalFarm wrote:
And remember--we got to +78 F a week after that record low of -22 F. See? Very short winter down here....
Make offer!

As Tarzan might say(in those old reruns from the 30s-or whatever),Tree fern never see
78F after -22F....Tree fern dead!

Just kidding Erik.............................good luck.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:56 am

Jim,
thanks for the thoughts.
As for tree ferns, if we move back to Oregon someday they would be rather easy. As for Belize, well, they grow wild there!
But OK is not tree-fern friendly, neither summer or winter. I am in awe that you can grow them in Iowa!
--Erik

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:28 am

Oh, boy! Haven't been on the forum for a while and it's sad hearing so (I wouldn't say bad) news. I understand you guys, Erik & W., are moving froward to the better life... I really will be missing you. Will be missing the Erik's day to day pics posting. You are the Man! I'm following your the Picasa albums so looking forward for your life updating... Cheers!

ROBRETI · Post by **ROBRETI** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:32 pm

Hi Erik,

I am with you and I wish you all the best!!!! It must be challenging for you now, but I am sure that this extreme sturdiness of the US folks will just fly you through these tough weeks and you re-emerge as a new, happy and brave guy! I think wherever you go, your basic interests will follow you and will make you stand out, no matter what...

Once again, good luck, Eric!
Rob

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:07 pm

Igor, Rob--thanks. We appreciate the support during these tough times for us. Every time we start to get depressed, our friends and family remind us of how much love and support we have, all over the world.
---------------
Back to palms (my escape....):
they are growing so well with the recent weather. Today, and yesterday, the morning low was 80 F (27 C) and the high, well, you can imagine. And so many hours of daylight. And I water 2x/day plus have the mister system running. Plants love it!
I'll take more photos soon, but literally every day they look better.

--Erik

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