I am interested in where I can purchase Cold Hardy Palm seedlings for Zone 5 or 6. I bought some seeds for some varieties that are cold hardy to those zones, but didn't have luck with germination. I thought maybe I would try starting with seedlings and providing them with mulch and or some other sort of shelter for the coldest months.
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Looking for cold hardy (zone 5) palm seedlings to buy
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lucky1
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Wenike, personally I wouldn't put really young palms outdoors, not in that zone (similar to mine).
Look around HD or other big box stores for Trachycarpus fortunei (windmill palm) or Raphidophyllum (needle palm, not easy to find), or a Sabal (tough to find).
Keep it indoors in a spare room (cool) in a pot for the first couple of winters, outdoors from late spring to early fall, before planting it in a protected area near a building where it doesn't receive cold northwest winter winds.
Once it's planted out, you'll need to protect it with various methods, probably including heat tape or Christmas lights (not LED).
When you're ready to protect it for its first winter, lots of people here have posted great protection pictures and advice.
And if you're young...you can start palms from seed.
Browse winter protection topic here:
http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=15
Or maybe someone on the Seed Exchange from the U.S. midwest:
http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7
Keep us posted what you find, please.
Look around HD or other big box stores for Trachycarpus fortunei (windmill palm) or Raphidophyllum (needle palm, not easy to find), or a Sabal (tough to find).
Keep it indoors in a spare room (cool) in a pot for the first couple of winters, outdoors from late spring to early fall, before planting it in a protected area near a building where it doesn't receive cold northwest winter winds.
Once it's planted out, you'll need to protect it with various methods, probably including heat tape or Christmas lights (not LED).
When you're ready to protect it for its first winter, lots of people here have posted great protection pictures and advice.
And if you're young...you can start palms from seed.
Browse winter protection topic here:
http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=15
Or maybe someone on the Seed Exchange from the U.S. midwest:
http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7
Keep us posted what you find, please.
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Nature has yet to produce a palm that is relaible in zone 5. Needle palms can take some zone 6's, mostly those in southerly latitudes (Tennessee and South), or in remarkable microclimates further north.
A mature, established, needle palm might be able to survive -20F, but it would definately be damaged and useless as a horticultural specimen. Oh, and needles are subject to spear leaf pull after long freezes...
A mature, established, needle palm might be able to survive -20F, but it would definately be damaged and useless as a horticultural specimen. Oh, and needles are subject to spear leaf pull after long freezes...
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Wenike,
I would go for more mature stuff unless you plan on protecting with heat. Heat still might be necessary anyways for a few years depending on the spot you put it. You will never get away from at bare minimum covering them from rain and snow for the winter. I'm in a solid 6b where temps hardly ever get to zero even single digits don't happen all that frequently, we do have our share though. The only one I could leave out is a needle palm and have it look nice in the spring. Even that would require a super spot out of the wind.
Don't let this persuade you, here's a place that sells smaller things out of NC.
http://www.plantdelights.com/
Hope this helps,
Bill
I would go for more mature stuff unless you plan on protecting with heat. Heat still might be necessary anyways for a few years depending on the spot you put it. You will never get away from at bare minimum covering them from rain and snow for the winter. I'm in a solid 6b where temps hardly ever get to zero even single digits don't happen all that frequently, we do have our share though. The only one I could leave out is a needle palm and have it look nice in the spring. Even that would require a super spot out of the wind.
Don't let this persuade you, here's a place that sells smaller things out of NC.
http://www.plantdelights.com/
Hope this helps,
Bill
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Bill, ha ha, quick fingers...
Glad you posted that Plant Delights link.
Fabulous nursery, excellent customer service, superior plants, outstanding packaging so they arrive in A-1 condition.
And Tony's quarterly newsletter is a delight to read.
Wenike, you WILL find nice palms at Plant Delights nursery.
And being in the U.S., you won't get stuck with needing phytosanitary certificate and border inspection, and all that crap we Canadians are subject to when buying from great nurseries in the U.S.
Plant Delights is probably ready to send you some nice palms right now!
(You're welcome, Tony!!!)
Barb
Glad you posted that Plant Delights link.
Fabulous nursery, excellent customer service, superior plants, outstanding packaging so they arrive in A-1 condition.
And Tony's quarterly newsletter is a delight to read.
Wenike, you WILL find nice palms at Plant Delights nursery.
And being in the U.S., you won't get stuck with needing phytosanitary certificate and border inspection, and all that crap we Canadians are subject to when buying from great nurseries in the U.S.
Plant Delights is probably ready to send you some nice palms right now!
(You're welcome, Tony!!!)
Barb
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I would also check e-bay and Alligator alley for seeds and
plants.
You will have(as mentioned)greater success with more mature palms,
Trachys and Sabals and most other "cold hardy"palms are starting to gain some resistance
to cold after they begin putting out divided leaves.
Check the prices before you buy,some places prices are kinda silly!
plants.
You will have(as mentioned)greater success with more mature palms,
Trachys and Sabals and most other "cold hardy"palms are starting to gain some resistance
to cold after they begin putting out divided leaves.
Check the prices before you buy,some places prices are kinda silly!
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TerdalFarm
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Michigan palms
My in-laws live in Michigan. To them, palms come inside for the winter.
If you want to plant them in the ground, the tips above are great.
As for sources, mail-order (as you've seen) gets you the best selection, but small plants unless you
The trick a few of us zone-challengers use is to take driving vacations to the South and shop a zone or two below us. Bill showed us palms he bought recently in NC. I bought palms in Dallas last October at end-of-the-year sales to keep in the house over winter and plant in May.
It doesn't make financial sense to drive South just to buy plants vs. shipping, but if you have a vacation budget anyways, you might want to use it this Spring for a road trip to NC, Texas, etc.
The internet makes it easy to search store locations, inventory, sales, etc. to help plant (pun intended) your route.
If you want to plant them in the ground, the tips above are great.
As for sources, mail-order (as you've seen) gets you the best selection, but small plants unless you
The trick a few of us zone-challengers use is to take driving vacations to the South and shop a zone or two below us. Bill showed us palms he bought recently in NC. I bought palms in Dallas last October at end-of-the-year sales to keep in the house over winter and plant in May.
It doesn't make financial sense to drive South just to buy plants vs. shipping, but if you have a vacation budget anyways, you might want to use it this Spring for a road trip to NC, Texas, etc.
The internet makes it easy to search store locations, inventory, sales, etc. to help plant (pun intended) your route.
Wenike, I have to agree with everyone that posted above, and I can tell you from my own experiences that the needle palm is probably your best bet. I'm in a northern 6a, and I have needle, trachys, and a few others planted in the ground, and the needle is the only one that made it through the winter completely unscathed. When I uncovered my needle palm a week ago, it looked exactly as it did when I covered it up last fall. Actually, it was pushing the spear leaf up through the leaf pile that I had it covered up with. I'll probably cover it up again this winter, but after that I'll probably just let it tough it out on it's own:) My two trachy's seemed to be doing fine when I uncovered them, but now they are looking pretty rough, and I'm not sure if they are going to make it or not... So if you want to play it safe, in your zone, I'd say go with the needle palm... Not sure if I would recommend a trachy, since I'm not even sure if mine are going to pull through or not. Hope this helps.
Jova
Jova
Check out my website at www.pennyspalms.com. I have "advanced" 2-3 year old Sabal minor seedlings.
Check around and look at everybody's prices,there are sellers on e-bay that have
3g B.capitatas for $9 and....
T.fortunei for much cheaper.
3g B.capitatas for $9 and....
T.fortunei for much cheaper.
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TerdalFarm
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Jim,
my wife's the ebay queen; it still makes me nervous.
Are there particular sellers you like/don't like?
You can use PM if you want to be especially candid.
--Erik
my wife's the ebay queen; it still makes me nervous.
Are there particular sellers you like/don't like?
You can use PM if you want to be especially candid.
--Erik
Eric
I have had no problems with anyone really,it depends on what you want-
For instance,I am really into Trachys and right now there is someone offering very rare seedlings
of Geminisectus and Oreophilus,2 palms that are especially hard to find,the ladder will round out my collection of the
original 8.
The former is a recent find from Viet Nam.
I ALWAYS check e-bay first before I buy anything-last week I got a nice chainsaw for $70including shipping
I think this thread was pulled up for someone to advertise
I have had no problems with anyone really,it depends on what you want-
For instance,I am really into Trachys and right now there is someone offering very rare seedlings
of Geminisectus and Oreophilus,2 palms that are especially hard to find,the ladder will round out my collection of the
original 8.
The former is a recent find from Viet Nam.
I ALWAYS check e-bay first before I buy anything-last week I got a nice chainsaw for $70including shipping
I think this thread was pulled up for someone to advertise
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Jim,
thanks for the reassurance.
When "jungle music" did not have the "travelers palm" I promised my wife in exchange for her letting me get two (2!) females for my male C. radicalis (I got her a little royal palm instead), she quickly went on ebay and ordered one. We'll see how it goes.
If you search terdalfarm on ebay you'll find us, but it will all be horse stuff....
--Erik
thanks for the reassurance.
When "jungle music" did not have the "travelers palm" I promised my wife in exchange for her letting me get two (2!) females for my male C. radicalis (I got her a little royal palm instead), she quickly went on ebay and ordered one. We'll see how it goes.
If you search terdalfarm on ebay you'll find us, but it will all be horse stuff....
--Erik
Jim
Sorry! New here and didn't know it was wrong to list website.Couldn't find posting rules!!!! I was growing needles and minors 35 years ago (before they became popular!). All my mature seed bearing plants were grown from seed collected personally from Mr. Manley in Stockbridge ,GA over 30 years ago. Thirty years ago no one would even buy a needle palm (didn't know what they were!). Most southerners still don't know! I have finally found like-minded people and they don't even live in my area. I was sincerely trying to put him to a source of inexpensive plants .Sorry!
Sorry! New here and didn't know it was wrong to list website.Couldn't find posting rules!!!! I was growing needles and minors 35 years ago (before they became popular!). All my mature seed bearing plants were grown from seed collected personally from Mr. Manley in Stockbridge ,GA over 30 years ago. Thirty years ago no one would even buy a needle palm (didn't know what they were!). Most southerners still don't know! I have finally found like-minded people and they don't even live in my area. I was sincerely trying to put him to a source of inexpensive plants .Sorry!
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lucky1
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gpenny, there's a Member's Website forum here:
http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21
Rules state you need a min of 10 posts before a website can be posted.
BTW I like your website...and your prices are yet more proof that we Canadians have too few suppliers up north
Barb
http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21
Rules state you need a min of 10 posts before a website can be posted.
BTW I like your website...and your prices are yet more proof that we Canadians have too few suppliers up north
Barb
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gpenny, no problem.
Not many folks have websites, so we're always glad to see one!
On the main page, down near the bottom it says:
Member Websites:
eh?
Barb
By the way, Wenike, hasn't posted here for a while, so if you click on his "name", you can PM him and send your website.
Not many folks have websites, so we're always glad to see one!
On the main page, down near the bottom it says:
Member Websites:
I wish you were in Canada!Post your gardening related website here for other members to see. You must have a minimum of 10 posts to add your website.
eh?
Barb
By the way, Wenike, hasn't posted here for a while, so if you click on his "name", you can PM him and send your website.
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Hi Lucky
Thanks for the info, I see it now! Even though I'm in S.C. I have a lot in common with you folks, just different species involved. I 'm pushing the window with Washingtonia robusta, Phoenix canerienis, etc. I use the same techniques y'all use to "overwinter" borderline palms. The folks on this forum seem real quick to help others. I'm impressed!
Thanks for the info, I see it now! Even though I'm in S.C. I have a lot in common with you folks, just different species involved. I 'm pushing the window with Washingtonia robusta, Phoenix canerienis, etc. I use the same techniques y'all use to "overwinter" borderline palms. The folks on this forum seem real quick to help others. I'm impressed!
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lucky1
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Do those pictures on your website show palms at your place?
If so, they're stunning!
...and a Bizzie
We've all come to the conclusion that no matter where we live, we push zones.
Wonder what folks at the Equator are trying!
Good folks here, glad you noticed.
Would love to see your CIDP (and other) pics.
Barb
If so, they're stunning!
...and a Bizzie
We've all come to the conclusion that no matter where we live, we push zones.
Wonder what folks at the Equator are trying!
Good folks here, glad you noticed.
Would love to see your CIDP (and other) pics.
Barb
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Yeh, those pictures were shot in my backyard! When we moved here 35 years ago it was an old peach orchard with no trees to speak of. I told my wife then I wanted it to look like a jungle in 20 years. With the pool in the center it resembles "Gilligan's Island now! I've been all over Florida,but have never seen a pool anywhere else with such a dense planting of palms. Most were grown from seeds. I'll try to post a picture in a few days!
Yeh, those pictures were shot in my backyard! When we moved here 35 years ago it was an old peach orchard with no trees to speak of. I told my wife then I wanted it to look like a jungle in 20 years. With the pool in the center it resembles "Gilligan's Island now! I've been all over Florida,but have never seen a pool anywhere else with such a dense planting of palms. Most were grown from seeds. I'll try to post a picture in a few days!
No worries gp,it just looks bad when old post's get brought back and people post websites.
Hope you stick around
your yard is beautiful!
Did you try the slide when it was covered in snow?-the pool looks warm
Hope you stick around
your yard is beautiful!Did you try the slide when it was covered in snow?-the pool looks warm
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Why didn't I think of that! Actually even though we had snow the night time temps. never got colder than about mid 20's. About 20 years ago I made a vow to swim every month of the year and did so. One day in January I went in two days after the whole pool was iced over! We started swimming this year on April 3rd (earliest ever) with air temps of 90-93F. and water temp of 70F.
Why didn't I think of that! Actually even though we had snow the night time temps. never got colder than about mid 20's. About 20 years ago I made a vow to swim every month of the year and did so. One day in January I went in two days after the whole pool was iced over! We started swimming this year on April 3rd (earliest ever) with air temps of 90-93F. and water temp of 70F.
Yea,this year has been amazing -
we have already been in the 80s a bunch of times,almost-90-(89)
(probably will be again early next week)a few years ago we didn't even hit 70
until April 16th!
we have already been in the 80s a bunch of times,almost-90-(89)
(probably will be again early next week)a few years ago we didn't even hit 70
until April 16th!
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Oh man, what a beautiful yard you have!
Even the rare snow looks fabulous...(I can't believe I'm saying that)
You got your 20-year wish...that's fabulous!
Looking forward to some pics without the snow...
Barb
Even the rare snow looks fabulous...(I can't believe I'm saying that)
You got your 20-year wish...that's fabulous!
Looking forward to some pics without the snow...
Barb
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