Pigafetta Family Album

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:50 am

Pigafetta elata ~ Black Wanga Palm

Recognized as one of the worlds fastest growing Palms, Under optimum conditions, 6 - 10' of trunk per year.
Have some seedlings here and thought it would be interesting to chronicle their growth rates

11-06-2006 Recently Germinated.

01-15-2007 Moving along....( brown tipping from inside conditions)

Making due with an old camera here.... Trying to get a shot of the spines, this will have a few.

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:54 am

6-10 ft a year ? Knnn you must have some damn high ceilings

What are you going to do with them after the first year ?

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:12 am

How many can I send you?

With less than "optimum" conditions here in Kansas I'll probably be able to keep these for 2-3 yrs. With most of my stuff in containers they will be retiring to warmer climates long before I do

~ Steve

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:38 am

Too tropical for my area. I believe they are a zone 10b - 11 palm.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:43 am

Steve, just let me know when your morning is available and I'll make a trip over to see you.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:36 am

Laaz,
Hopefully you received my last message about the Livistona's ? If you wanted to try one of these as a containerized Palm just let me know

Kansas,
Will let you know, Haven't been getting much sleep lately as cold as it has been, ( Having to take warm water out to the fish & firing up additional heat) Hopefully your outside stuff is doing OK?

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:26 pm

Steve I emailed you on the Livingstonia's

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:05 pm

Thanks, For anyone curious about Pigafetta culture, the link here is to a good article. ( focused on P.filaris but the same applies to P.elata )

http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Pigafett ... ation.html

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:37 pm

Wes North Van · Post by **Wes North Van** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:01 pm

The growth rate on those seedlings are crazy. I can not believe the difference in just ten days!!!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:36 pm

I'm sure their growth rate will really pick up this Summer......Just hoping I can get them back in the house

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:37 pm

Steve,
How many days to germination?
At the rate there growing,I hope you'll be able to get them out,when early summer arrives!!!LOL

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:04 am

These were from Ortanique http://ortanique.com

At least half were already germinated upon arrival and the rest within a week.
It's nice therapy to be able to watch something grow this fast during the Winter

Steve

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:14 am

I HEAR YOU!
Makes it feel spring is getting nearer,when something growing!!!
Great cure for those winter blues!!!

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:08 am

With our lows in the teens the next few night, springtime seems like a long way away my Kansas friends. If we can get through to mid february our temps should start to moderate a bit. I had to use the spot lights in my palm hut last night and kept the temp over 20F. Did not want to take any chances since my stuff out there looks good. I also have a T Fortunei on the southside of my house covered in just leaves, I uncoverd it this morning to look at it and its still green. This seedling has taken temps near 0F and it appears OK. I don't know how warm the leaf mulch keeps the plant , but it appears OK. I should also point out that with any snow/ice/rain event I have covered the palnt with a 15 gallon plastic white trash can that keeps the elements off.

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:27 am

oppalm,
Do you have a outside thermometer inside your hut or down in with your leaves?
I'm thinking about going to walmart and buy me a couple cheap outside thermometers and stick inside next to my plam
and bananas,so I can monoter the temps on those cold nights.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:53 am

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:10 am

I just looked this palm up as an adult,these are a really prettty palm,with a huge crown!
Your seedlings are looking great!
From germination until now when pic was taken,how much time has passed,so I can get a time on how fast these grow?
Thanks
Don

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:47 am

Received these the last week in October, Half were already germinated and the others within a few days. The only caution with these is not to let them dry out too much, other than that it's fairly routine culture to keep them happy

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:56 am

Is there a more common name for these,I haven't heard or seen of these before,but then I haven't been into plams until recently.
Looks as those will be a fat grower too!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:30 pm

I have just heard these referred as Pigafetta's ~ Some of the local names do translate to "Wanga Palm" etc.

Ortanique seems to have a good supply of seed , RPS also has these listed.

http://Ortanique.com

http://Rarepalmseeds.com

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:35 pm

Thanks
Wanga,I've heard of!
Thanks for the links!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:34 am

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:47 pm

These have just about doubled in size!!!
Days are getting longer now,and I expect some new growth on just about everything!!!

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:50 pm

tropicman - was just reading through this post again and saw you asked me a question in Jan 07 about an outside thermometer. I do have a wireless thermometer in my palm hut and the base units inside the house. It shows me the temp inside the hut and also keeps a record of the minimum and maximum for a 24 hour period. I picked two of these thermometers up at the ACE Hardware store on their closeout table. Paid $5 for each. They are nice to have.

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:42 pm

$5 bucks,what a steal!!!!
I have 3 in use,check them every morning and every evening,great tool to use,and takes a lot of worrying out of the way as well!!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:18 pm

Out of the three,

One in the house,

Two in the GH, (The one behind received a little too much sun but I'm sure it will catch up)

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:06 pm

Plenty of sharp pointy things

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:40 pm

I see your point!!!!LOL

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:27 pm

Hoping I do not have to re-pot these too often........

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:25 am

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:05 pm

Steady growing, but not too fast.

New spear opening, and a bit more spines.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:39 pm

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:14 pm

Looking real gooood!!!
Mine got spider mites bad,and had to cut several leaves off,but I believe it's starting to come back,abit ever so slow!!!!
I gave her a shot of Bayer Tree and Shrub,and she's back on the road to recovery!
Couple of the Mexican cycads have added a new leaf as well!!!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:00 pm

Thanks Don! Glad to hear yours is recovering. Have heard good things about the Bayer Tree & Shrub mix, how is that working for you?
I let the spiders take over in the GH this season, they did a great job, even knocked the fungus gnats down. The only problem is, I don't really mind the smaller spiders, but the bigger spiders move in to eat them, and then the tarantula looking things start showing up. Think I am going to try Praying mantises & lady beetles next year.

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:08 pm

Hey Steve,the Bayer is great stuff,it knocked the aphids right off the hibiscus as well,and also some scale on Majesty palm.
I highly recommend it!!!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:25 pm

Thanks for the info! It seems a bit more expensive than the other stuff, but if it works, then well worth it.

Remember that small banana plant you sent me home with last Spring?
Here it is on it's way into the cellar for Winter storage, these do start to get heavy as they get bigger...lol
( for reference, that cart is 4' long )

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:50 pm

OH MY!!!
You think it's heavy now you wait until this time next year!!!
You have friends that own a crane!!!!!LOL

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:46 am

OK, WHAT THE HECK AM I DOING WRONG WITH MUSA TREES THEN???????????
The one Don gave me died almost a month later after giving it filtered sun every day and water every three days

Problem is, The is the third Musa I have killed. Thats 3 out of 3 for me.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:06 am

Here is a photo of it back in March,

This is the first year that I've had any success with these, I followed Don's and Barrie's advice regarding amendments, planting, etc with good results.

(This is the first year for overwintering these too, so when I see Don post that he is digging his up , I dig mine up too

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September, 2007 ~ Starting to pick up some speed......

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