Another Seed Order

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:19 pm

Couldnt help myslef. I blame the long winter:

Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis F2
Canna Flaccida
Musa acuminata subsp. microcarpa
Eucalyptus pauciflora subsp. niphophila
Cylindropuntia imbricata
Opuntia polyacantha
And some roses and rare Ipomia

I think Barb remembers the Butia x

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:22 pm

I remember my B. eriospatha x Syagrus glaucescens F1 seeds ...
they arrived a year ago, and I'll be dead before the buggers germinate.

Jesse, the Butia x Jubaea F2 is sooooooo interesting.
Any picture anywhere of which parentage their appearance leans towards?

I always hope the youngsters get the best of both parents.
But from the people I've met, I don't think that always works.

Please put me on your list for a seedling purchase in a year or two.

Nice specimens on your list.
Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:21 am

I had sabal seeds take a year and a half. "Patience young skywalker"

Here is the description of the Butia x ;

"An interesting hybrid produced by pollinating a female Butia odorata with Jubaea chilensis pollen. While overall rather similar to B. odorata, it produces a heavier trunk, stiffer leaves and shorter inflorescences. It shows excellent cold-hardiness but grows faster than a Jubaea."

Seems to take more after the butia with the exception of a MASSIVE trunk and longer leaves... And dont worry, youve sent me enough stuff, your name is already on one of the seedlings if they sprout!

ALso read this about that Euc!!!

"E. pauciflora regenerates from seed, by epicormic shoots below the bark, and from lignotubers. It is the most cold-tolerant species of eucalyptus, with E. pauciflora subsp. niphophila surviving temperatures down to −23 °C (−9 °F) and year-round frosts. It has been introduced to Norway.[4]""

Thats amazing!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:55 am

-23C Euc?............when planted in a greenhouse.

Does the seed supplier state where the seed was collected? The hardiest locations appear to be near the edges of the frost hollows of the high altitude plains not the mountain tops. I have a few seedlings from the Kiandra Plains (thanks to Cincy Frank). I will likely plant them outside this spring......see this article on the frost hollows....a great read.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 8540,d.dmg

or.....not sure which link works...

http://rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/ ... McD601.pdf

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:52 am

but grows faster than a Jubaea.

Steel girders grow faster than a Jub.

"heavier trunk, stiffer leaves" sounds like the male Jubaea is the boss in that union.

If there were a -23C Euc, we'd be logging them.
Good luck.

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:51 am

This was rps and the collect from the wild up in alpine regions on tje boarder of victoria. The trees.see below.-15 regularly. Ill post more when.im off.work

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:24 pm

Tim - Kew says -20C
http://apps.kew.org/trees/?page_id=115

also "E. pauciflora subsp. niphophila, syn. E. niphophila, with glaucous non-angular buds. This is found in the highest parts of the Australian Alps, straddling the Victoria - New South Wales border. In cultivation this tree has gained the Royal Horticultural Society's Award of Garden Merit."

RPS has a habit of collecting seeds from the wild, or properly identified garden plants as far as I know. I really hope those Eucs do well. So far it seems you may need to grab this one to give it a try. Thanks for the link too.

Barb - I took a better look at some pics. They look to be pretty variable. Most seem to have the nice long leaves if the Jub.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:00 pm

Most seem to have the nice long leaves of the Jub.

It could be one heck of a good-looking palm.
Take good care of those seeds, Jesse...

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:28 am

Here are some more pics barb:

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Butia_x_Jubaea

More on the link......

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:08 am

Be still my heart

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:01 am

I said a few more... "colourful" words...

The one next to it (left) is a Jubea. I thought they really disliked heat, yet this is in socal?

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:41 am

really disliked heat, yet this is in socal?

They don't dislike heat, they just won't grow in, say, deserts like Washingtonia etc. where it's often 40C.
Jubaea seeds don't need extreme heat to germinate, often just letting the fluctuations of seasonal temp changes germinate them because they take a long time to pop.

The Jubaea's trunks (like in the photo above) always remind me of concrete hydro poles.
Almost looks too heavy for the leaf "burden" they carry.
That's what's so interesting about Jubaeas.

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:43 am

OK barb I follow ya now

Does anyone have any insight on germinating the jubea x? They look like theyre pretty big..

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:37 am

This guy cracks the seeds.

I tried that one year...hammer (inside a cardboard box) on a concrete floor.
Jubaea seeds are rock hard, wear safety glasses

Still ended up with missiles flying all over the place.
The only 3 Jubaea seeds that germinated for me did NOT have this process done.

http://www.palmsociety.org/public/engli ... 21_2.shtml
continued on the next page.

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:01 am

I think I remember pictures of the "aftermath". Maybe scarifying and a few day soak would suffice? Did cameron have a de lidding lesson on jubea?

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:19 am

While Cameron's the germinating king, if memory serves, he may have bombed on Jubs.
Can't remember.

But Dylan ("Jubaea") has germinated lots; he's not on here much.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:33 pm

I found that de-lidding Jubaeas, while providing incredibly fast germination, also provides incredible opportunities for mold to take over. Even after boiling water and pouring it over the soil to sterilize it first, I still lost every de-lidded Jubaea seed that I planted. They seem to be much more sensitive to mold compared to other seeds which I de-lidded (i.e. N. ritchiana), which germinated with few problems.

For Jubaeas, unless you've got a really sterile environment and can remember to keep it that way, I wouldn't recommend de-lidding them

However, you can still crack the outer shell. I cracked the outer shell of a few Jubaea seeds in the late summer, and am having pretty good results. When they were planted initially, I kept them outside in a sunny, hot area. I left them outdoors until temps reached around -7 C, then brought them indoors. Once indoors, they have been receiving no bottom heat and little water. Over the past month or so (so maybe 6 months after they were first planted), the Jubaeas have been germinating. I'm sure I could have sped up the process by a month or two by keeping them over high bottom heat. Still, 6 months is better than the year to germination which many people often report when leaving the outer shells intact! I also used the same temperature method for Butia eriospatha seeds, and am having decent results with those as well. I'll post some pictures when more seeds have germinated.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:25 pm

I had previously read of the mold-risk for Jubaea, especially after de-lidding.
But waiting for 18 to 24 months was intolerable.
Another caution was to NOT use bottom heat, as fewer germinations resulted.

You'll recall I started mine in the winter near the woodstove, so moved them further away to prevent the 100F exposure.
Once spring arrived, I placed them in my little plastic greenhouse in full sun.

My de-lidding attempt (with a hammer) was pretty funny.
Works better inside a cardboard box, which prevents "missiles" from shooting 40 feet.

I'm thrilled with my 3 Jubaea seedlings.
Congrats on yours!

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:27 am

hmmm.... THanks guys now ill have to think a bit more. Still didnt revieve the shipment

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