Some More Palm Seed and Seedling Photos.....

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:23 pm

Some more additions to this Winters projects.

This is my best spot for germination during the Winter, (Our heat is an old style convective heater) Up by the ceiling stays about 85* at night and about 70* during the day. Some remodeling and central heat planned for next year...Will be sorry to lose this spot

Copernicia alba - Caranday Palm Seeds

Carpentaria acuminata - Carpentaria Palm Seeds

Phoenix dactylifera - Date Palm Seeds

Dypsis decaryi - Triangle Palm Seeds

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:56 pm

Got mine today as well, however of the 11-12 Carpenters all floated but 3????

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:23 pm

Might be just dried out a bit, let them soak for a couple days.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:30 pm

Chamaedorea elegans - Parlour Palm

Heres some growing aquatically/Semi-aqatically in the GH ( Some Chamaedorea cataractarum mixed in too)

Livistona saribus - Taraw Palm

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:46 am

Knnn wrote:Might be just dried out a bit, let them soak for a couple days.

I once again bow to the MASTER!!!! Checked them this morning and of the 16 seeds I got, yesterday 12 floated.
This morning ALL had sunk. So hopefully you were right and they were just dried out.

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:47 pm

Wes - maybe your drowned them.
Steve- you are the master. Everytime you post pictures I am more impressed with you operation. I thought (and my wife and kids thought) I took this hobby seriously but I bow to you.
Someday I will be worthy. Keep up the good work.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:28 pm

Linospadix monostachya Seed

Copernicia alba Germinated.

Phoenix dactylifera Germinated.

Coonties ~ Zamia floridana Var. "Palatka Giant"

More Seedlings ~ All Grown From Seed.

Some More.....

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:42 pm

JESUS STEVE!!!
I know you have been ill, but dude, you look like $HIT!!!!!! Get some sleep bro!!!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:32 pm

I've had good luck with some things, not sure I would consider myself "Mastering" much of anything yet

The people with Garages, Houses and Yards full of specimen sized Palms far north of me are the ones I hope to learn from.

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:18 pm

I think we here in Kansas have a good start on growing some nice sized palms. With a little help from mother nature and some continued mild winters, maybe just maybe in 2-4 years we can start showing off our specimen sized palms. It appears we have a nice cross section of Kansas covered. Somebody should be able to get something growing.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:21 pm

Did you guys see the new prospective zone map for a while out? I think it was 2020 we might be a 6A and 2040 a 7A? Long time out I know, but just kind of interesting.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:38 pm

Link Here: http://arborday.org/media/zones.cfm

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:41 pm

Germinated Seed.

Heres one just breaking the Surface.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:36 pm

Steve could you please PM me your recipe for soil. I am having too many different soils and I need to settle for one. Looks like you use Perlite and Wood chips???

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:50 pm

Just a decent quality container mix and about 20-30% Perlite mixed in.
In my case it has been the 3 cubic foot bag of Sta-Green container mix , ( Lowe's) , with 2 small bags of Perlite.
The composition of the mixes available at the box stores tends to change each year. So next year it may be a different brand

For Cycads and things that need a quicker draining mix just add more Perlite. Vermiculite will work too, Perlite is just cheaper here.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:27 am

OK. some people are using pine bark chips. Is that good too? Maybe 1-1-1 w/ potting sil, perlite, pb chips?
BTW, just found my second Gaussi seed popped. Those are REALLY good huh! Where'd those come from?

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:36 pm

I tend to overwater so I try to use a light mix

One more photo....The mail brought good news today!

Spindlle Palm Seed ~ Hyophorbe verschaffeltii

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:18 pm

Awsome find buddy!!!
I THINK those cycad seeds I got from that guy in Tampa are actually Dioon seeds. Of the 18-20 I sowed a couple weeks ago, two have split and rooted.
Whenever you want me to come up, tell me.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:36 pm

One could hope for, they were harvested off the Palm and made it to me within a week. Have a few more orders I'm hoping to see before the really cold weather gets here.

Those Cycad seeds are doing good for you

It's usually a 1-3 month wait to see anything.

~ Steve

My schedule should be starting free up around the end of next week so I'll send you a PM or e-mail.....

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:44 am

Please get with me so we can do some trading and talk palms.
I am getting very depressed becasue it seems every time I go into the green room, something else looks like it's dying. Almost all my Robusta seedlings are dying, some of the Christmas palms that you gave me are dying (too bad too cause I absolutly LOVE them) and I think I have only 1 or 2 Filibusta seedlings left. I tryed potting the Robusta & Filibustas into bigger pots and I think I should have waited until spring maybe????
So I am still thinking that Cycads are my only way.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:02 am

I have plenty more seedlings I can send your way..............Don't worry about losing a few, I have too.

See if you can figure out what the problem is, Check the soil temperature, ( those cheap aquarium thermometers work good for this) Then pop a couple out and see how wet your potting mixture is. Usually it is a combination of cold and damp soil that causes such a rapid decline.

Palms and Cycads go so well together......Grow Both

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:25 pm

Actually the soil is very dry and hard and clumpy. What I did was I watered really good and also crushed the sides of the pot so the soil would loosen. But that was the X-Mas palms. The Robustas, I just do not know

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Did you get a bunch of CIDP seeds today???????? I got my 50. So if you didn't, let me know and I'll give you the guys address.

Cali-wanna-b · Post by **Cali-wanna-b** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:59 pm

Kansas

I am only guessing here, but it sounds like you are using the same type of soil I tried. I tried a sandy silt loam and had alot of trouble with it. Although the top of the pots to a depth of 2 inches was dry the remaining soil was wet. I ended up overwatering alot of seedlings. Just a thought.

Cal

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:07 pm

Anyone ever tried CHC for palms ?

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:15 am

Laaz,
Would you happen to know of any good mail order suppliers for CHC ?
What size is recommended for citrus? This is OT, but I have a 5' tall Navel in the GH that is just starting to flower, Would you think there any chance of it setting fruit?

Kansas,
Maybe too dry? I've had to use one of those moisture meters to help myself along. seem pretty well set on Phoenix's at the moment ( That is if I can keep the greenhouse above freezing for the next week

~ Steve

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:21 am

Theres a very good chance it will hold some fruit. Citrus usually only hold 1% - 3 % of the fruit from bloom. Let me get ahold of one of my Mod's on the form, he has over 70 citrus growing in a greenhouse in Denver CO all in CHC. I'll give you the info once he gets back to me.

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:52 am

Ok bob gets all his CHC from :

Crystal Company
572 Leffingwell Ave.
Saint Louis, MO 63122
Telephone 1-800-845-4777

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:59 am

Thanks for the Info!
The one in the GH has plenty of blossoms so hopefully a couple will take, I rescued this one 2 years ago after being left out to freeze at a discount store. Happy that it's back in a healthy state

I haven't had any experience with CHC & Palms, Will try a few and see how they grow.

Steve

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:47 am

Chamaedorea elegans Seed ~ Parlour Palm

Chamaedorea metallica Seed.

Butia capitata Seed ~ Jelly Palm

Cyrtostachys renda Seed ~ Red Sealing Wax Palm

Iriartea deltoidea Seed ~ Copa Palm

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:46 pm

Steve, Idid you ever get a bunch of Canary Island Date Palm seeds from that one guy? If not, I have them cooking and if/when I get some to pop, I'll give you some. Also, that great guy in K.C. was kind enough to give me over 20 seeds from that "McCurtain" Sabal that seeded after being in the ground in K.C. for two years. Those too are cooking and if I get them to pop, I'll get you some. I think they just might make it on that south side of your home. Didn't you put a Hystrix there????Hows it doing??

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:19 pm

I passed on that deal, might find room for a few more seedlings tho

The needle out front ( South Side) bit it a while ago. Think it had more to do with the wind than the cold. I have a couple more in sheltered spots that have finally started growing. One in the GH is in a cold dark spot that constantly gets dripped on every day and it looks the best!

Let me know how those Sabal seeds work out.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:27 pm

DEFINATLY will get you some CIDP seedlings if I get them to pop and also a few "McCurtain".

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:04 am

Kansas,
I received the Needle seedlings last March from FL, They were 2 strap leaf size and were grown in plug trays which seemed to stunt the root system. ~ at least in my opinion, deeper pots = more vigorous growth.

Some went into pots and some directly into the ground ( probably should have went into containers for another year or two but I wanted to experiment) The ones in the ground stalled out and slowly browned all Summer , don't really think they cared for the heat. Once we dropped below freezing this one started growing, working on its second spear now ~ tough Palms

The one in the GH.

All the seedlings I got from you this Summer are doing OK, I stepped up the container size and they stalled due to that and the heat ~ Had a nasty stretch of 100+ F Days, Trachy's are starting to grow again.

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:25 pm

Is that one of the Trachys I gave you? You got her looking GREAT if so.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:27 pm

That is one of them you sent my way, There all doing good and about the same size.
Curious to see how well these deal with our Summer temps. Have you run across any local nurserys with a good selection of Yuccas & Agaves ?

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:11 pm

Just to let you know, I had the brothers & sisters of that Fortunei in the sun with no filter and they did not do too well. Yours looks 10 times better than any of mine.
Yes, that place I want to take and OPPalm to this Spring, "Arnold's Greenhouse" in LeRoy, Kansas has many many many Yucca and Ags. The difference is that they grow them from the beginning in their greenhouse. So they are some what used to the weather and the price is GREAT!!
For instance, I went to a Topeka Nursery and priced a 2 gallon pot of "Yellow Grove Bamboo" and they had it for $120, YES, I said it was $120!!!! I then went to "Arnold's" and they had the same 2 gallon "Yellow Grove Bamboo" for..........$22, Yes, $22!!!! They grew it from scratch in the greenhouse so their is no need for the mark up for buying from somebody like "Monrovia" for them.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:17 pm

Thanks, Will have to check them out this Spring,
Doing away with whats left of the flower beds this year

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:07 am

Coccothrinax litoralis ~ Slooow for me, almost 2 years old.

Adonidia merrillii ~ Chrismas Palm Seedlings.

Dypsis decaryi ~ Triangle Palm Seedlings, These are fast growers for me, also a nice dark green color.

Thrinax radiata ~ Just starting to break the surface, Think I have about 300 of these spread around the house

Bismarckia nobilis ~ A lonely one looking out an icy window...................

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:39 am

Steve - read your thread about your Rhap Hystrix (needle Palm). I planted a needle and a couple of T Firtuneis early last summer and covered them with shade cloth. I bought the shade cloth at Home Depot , it's 6' wide and I think I bought 10' long, so I had a lot of it. Back to my point - the needles and T fortunei I covered with shade cloth (full sun) looked 100% better than the ones that were left to fend for themselves. I think the intense summer sun/heat is too much for the small palms. I was not experimenting at the time , I just thought it would be wise to shade them for few months until the got established. They looked so good though that I did not take the shade cloth off all summer. They covered oner grew faster and had better color than the ones exposed to the sun. Just food for thought.

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:58 am

You are correct about the sun exposure. Most Palms start out as understory plants and will not thrive in full sun until a certain size.

Shade cloth is on my list

Your outside stuff doing OK? My robustas are doing well, got cold enough in the one box for the Opuntias to flop over, had to tie them back up

PalmsNorth.com

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Some More Palm Seed and Seedling Photos.....

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Re: Floaters..

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New US Arbor Day Zone Map

Gaussia attenuata

Soil Mix

Potting Mix..........

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