Got them enclosed just in time today.

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wheelman1976
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Got them enclosed just in time today.

Post by wheelman1976 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:29 pm

Going on my second year of the drum protection method. These are the three I have left, I lost one that was not located by these which I think do well because they are by my pond which creates a micro-climate. I've got one 65 watt floodlight near the crown, fronds are wrapped in frost cloth and on the ground I have either a 200 watt heater or a 250 watt heater all on a thermocube.

Spent the last week testing the three-cubes to make sure they went on an off, had one that was broke and today about 2 hours before this storm I put the final pipe insulation on each opening and strapped them shut.

My biggest palm is touching the top of the drums with the fronds pulled up so next year I may be going to four drums on that one!!!! Might need scaffling at that point!

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Post by wheelman1976 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:06 pm

I see the views on the forum board, but boy has this place become a grave yard... Where is everyone who cars about growing palms outside of normal areas?

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Post by hardyjim » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:42 am

Its like that on most forums...maybe the colder winters
have caused some to give up???
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Post by sashaeffer » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:05 am

Great to see you got them covered in time.

At some point do you think you will start to hurricane cut them(to a degree) to limit growth?
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Post by kcpalms » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:12 am

Hey Wheelman1976,

Nice improv with your drum protection. Hope all goes well for you this winter season! Your post referring to the forum as graveyard caused me to write this reply! I wanted to make a ripple in this almost frozen palmsnorth.com pond! :) Im in KCMO, still loving my palm hobby and visit this forum often! I don't often post but always look forward to reading how everyone's doing. Seems we can always count on pics from HardyJim up in Iowa i believe. Miss that Lucky1 gal up in Canada tho!

Anyway, just wanted to say hey and good luck to us all! Let's keep this wonderful hobby of ours going!


....Tim

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Post by wheelman1976 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:16 am

sashaeffer wrote:Great to see you got them covered in time.

At some point do you think you will start to hurricane cut them(to a degree) to limit growth?
That's certainly a thought... but at the rate mine go they only put up 5-8 fronds each year. I figure on my oldest and largest I can put another drum on the bottom and go up a little higher. The hardest part is pulling up and tying the fronds as the trees get taller. I almost have to put up scaffolding!!

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Post by hardyjim » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:09 am

Looking good
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Re: Got them enclosed just in time today.

Post by wheelman1976 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:19 pm

So it's been a couple years since I've been here. There's not alot of action going on here but I suppose that's to be understood... we're not exactly in a hot and up and coming hobby... am i right>? LOL.

Anyways, I'll update on my trees. I have 3 total as of right now in the ground (had five a few years back but lost two). Three is about all I can manage when it comes to winter protection so I am ok with that. I have completely moved over to plastic 55 gallon barrels for all palm protection. For heat I am running a couple small "desktop" heaters in each enclosure with a thermocube along with one flood light just so I know that everything is working. Each year I did have a bulb blow in one of the enclosures but the heaters kept things toasty. Triple redundancy is my goal.

As for my 3 trees... my oldest is now four of these barrels tall, that's when the fronds wrapped and pulled down as much as possible... I may be looking at a 5th barrel this winter or at the least building them up with some wood on the bottom for a little extra height. This tree is strong and healthy and will not stop growing. My middle tree is finally starting to get movement after 5 years (I think) in the ground and my 3rd which is the same age is stagnant and really not doing much growing. I think this is because of soil placement, possibly it gets too wet there I think... I'm not upset about this b/c I could not handle 3 trees with run away growth....

As the years tick by though I will be having to make a decision on these trees as they get taller... the big one is absolutely stunning with all it's foliage but if I move toward covering with minimal heat/protection I know I'll lose that foliage to our Michigan winter.

Side note question for anyone showing up here... my two biggest trees have put out seed pods and I have green seeds on them. Anyone know if these will be viable? I thought all my trees were the same sex, and now I believe the two biggest are the same, but now not sure on the third as it doesn't put out efflorescence yet. Wouldn't I need at least one to pollinate the other two??

I'll try to put up some pics this summer yet.

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Re: Got them enclosed just in time today.

Post by wheelman1976 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:42 am

Quick update on winter storage. I managed to cover everything yesterday without having to add any new barrels this year so I have two trees that are 3 55 gallon barrels tall and my largest at 4 barrels. The largest is maxed out this winter and I am starting to think about how tall I will reasonably be able to go on this barrel method. This year I worked on my barrel enclosures where I was able to spread them open easier than in years past and while I was still able as one man able to maneuver everything, it is getting a little tough on the tallest tree to get it fully inside. I'm either going to have to simply split the barrels in two and clam shell the enclosure together each winter or look at a different method.

I'd love to get a dialog going here for what people are currently doing if anyone wants to be more active here. If I can't make the barrels work for me I may look at going to 2 inch thick styrofoam sheets and go back to building boxes. I would only go this route if the weight/size of the enclosure becomes and issue. I went back and watched some of Montreal Palms old videos and I see how it will work, just a question of spending money on sheets and designing a box that works. My last problem at this point is the height that this tree is at and working at that height when pulling the fronds together and wrapping it. I almost need scaffolding to have a safe platform to work from b/c right now my harbor frieght extending ladder is almost too short now at this point.
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