Cold next week!

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:48 am

The long range forecast has some days next week when the daytime High temperature here in Toronto will be below freezing... What's the world coming to?

Seriously though, I believe we were promised a winter this year. where's my -18C?

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:07 am

Careful what you wish for Paul, I might grant your wish LOL

Up here, has been relatively the same so far. The lows are above average, and the drops have only gone to average. December was 4C warmer here then average.

At least you have snow down there. I have NONE. 10C yesterday, and we havnt had any precip since beore christmas. That was barley 2 cm. Ill send you cold, if you send me snow.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:10 am

You turkeys

I'll see what we can do to help you both...

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:03 am

Even with all the cold air/snow around in December we still averaged 40F...

mostly because it was so warm the first 18 days or so-about +4F High/low for the month.

Last winter was so warm-we averaged at least 40F in every winter month with no sub-zero weather.

On our way again this winter but I have a feeling we won't get there this month as a blocking pattern
may be setting up to keep us in more typical winter cold-better now then in March/April!
Let's get it out of the way-not to much further to go now anyway.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:59 am

Doing some damage before it gets to the Midwest:

oooh, the palms and yuccas in Arizona:
"low to mid 20s in outlying areas"

http://www.google.org/publicalerts/aler ... source=web

Barb

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:05 am

Barb, seems you've got some winter cold... Are your palms OK there.
Aaron, Bisbee is in troubles too. Hope all those nice agave and yucca plants as well as cacti will survive this cold blast.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:40 am

I noticed Mt. Lemmon in Tucson, Arizona is cold this week........tonight low of 7F with 3 days in a row of highs in 20's. This is Yucca schottii country.

<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/ ... AA147E.jpg>

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:07 am

seems you've got some winter cold... Are your palms OK there.

Big Trachy in the hut is fine, thermocube's keeping it at about 0C.
Two Washies in leaf bags are probably OK.

But worried about y.rostratas as they just have a plastic cover.
And the thermocube that controls THEIR C-9s is in the Washy protection.
I was stupid to put thermocube where it's the warmest!
Had no idea how well those leaf-filled bags would keep it warm.

Quite the test for the rostratas in year 2 outside...

And, yes, Arizona's getting cold nights...
How sad this system is going so far south.

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:02 pm

Looks like they are saying to watch out Jan 21-25 here as we
may see the biggest outbreak of Arctic air in a few years-we'll see.....

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:41 am

We currently have a low of -16C forecast for next Tuesday (Jan 22nd). If this pans out it will be the coldest we've seen since January 2011 when we hit -18.5C. Coldest so far this year is -7.6C, last years extreme low was -14C.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:10 am

We have been so far below our avg of
High 33F
Low 18F

We have been like
High 10/14F
Low -5/2F

And for week after week! Every week they move the 32F day farther in the forcast.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:27 am

And for week after week!

That's the peculiar part, Aaron.
The cold just hasn't let go for you.

Forecasters have been way wrong everywhere...our forecasted warm up of 48F for Tuesday bombed.
We made it all the way to a High of 24F.
Those guys must be smoking something weird.

Equates to a mini Ice Age for the West.

Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:17 pm

Another mild winter here. Funny that after I gave up on palms in the ground ("colder-than-the-south-pole"in 2011), we are in store for a 2nd consecutive zone 8 winter. Not that I'm complaining. Not that I haven't given up on moving further south, either.

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:37 pm

Cold snap incoming for next week here, max. between -12c to -16c and low of -20c to -26c for a few days. But ill be in Cabo San lucas, Mexico in vacation

. Will take lots of palms pics, ill post some pics when ill come back. Thats the Washingtonia paradise in Baja California

Sometime we have good timing....hope the temp. will get warmer here after vacation....

Ben

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:49 pm

Take photos of Cabo San Lucas for us!
W has been wanting to go there for quite a while.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:22 pm

Yeah, Erik THAT winter was one to be remembered!
We all cringed every day when seeing your temps.

Have fun in Cabo, Beny...don't forget new batteries for your camera.
Lots of Washy pics please.

Your palms are well protected, so you can vacation in peace.
Good job!

Barb

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:31 am

Yes, i can leave in peace...now this morning its -27c or -16f and in the mummywrap its 0c....so i dont really mind about the cold snap coming.
For now, its a winter much colder than last year

. We had only one night at -23c last winter.

Ben

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:19 am

Yes, i can leave in peace...now this morning its -27c

Holy mackerel, Beny :verycold:

I'd be outta there too.
Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:04 am

TimMAz6 wrote:I noticed Mt. Lemmon in Tucson, Arizona is cold this week........tonight low of 7F with 3 days in a row of highs in 20's. This is Yucca schottii country.

<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/ ... AA147E.jpg>

Nice! Would be a good place for seed! From looking at the weather maps everyday for the past weeks, looks like some of their range in the Chiricahuas have been below 0F.

When's the next time your going to see you brother in Tucson? It would be cool if we could go for a day hike looking for seed. I'm hoping to be there sometime in May.

andym · Post by **andym** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:58 pm

Well the white stuff has finally hit my area. No major lows here yet but Norfolk area in eastern England hit 8F not normal for that area

A few night pics

Above drooping leaves of Illicium Henryii

Fatsia Japonica does not like snow

Schefflera Rhododendrifolia enjoying its first and probably last Winter in the ground.

Yucca Aloifolia. Interesting that the recurvifolia type leaves all have damage even before the cold.

Pseudosasa Japonica... an uncontrollable weed

seems to attract snow.

All the weather models point towards towards this cold lasting into mid February with small mild interludes. Winters are getting colder here but then I am 52N

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:05 pm

Nice! Would be a good place for seed! From looking at the weather maps everyday for the past weeks, looks like some of their range in the Chiricahuas have been below 0F.

When's the next time your going to see you brother in Tucson? It would be cool if we could go for a day hike looking for seed. I'm hoping to be there sometime in May.

Nice cold test in the Chiricahuas!.......Only the strongest will survive.

No plans to visit the AZ area......but would love too. My brother is in VA not AZ.....my aunt/uncle live in Tuscon.....my brother fly out the same time I was there in 2006? Any yes...........I would love to inspect every inch of AZ for plants!

Andy..........very cool photos of snow. Nice Illicium.....LOVE the Schefflera rhodo......do you really think it will die? Keep us updated on that one................I want to grow them outside here in zone 6b.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:21 pm

TimMAz6 wrote:
No plans to visit the AZ area......but would love too. My brother is in VA not AZ.....my aunt/uncle live in Tuscon.....my brother fly out the same time I was there in 2006? Any yes...........I would love to inspect every inch of AZ for plants!

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When I go down there this year I will try my best to find the best hardy seed I can, and disperce them throughout the forum.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:40 pm

cool if we could go for a day hike looking for seed

Oh sure, you two.
We'd have to send out a search party looking for Tim and Aaron.
After two weeks.
They'd still be collecting

disperse them throughout the forum

Why the West was Yucca'd.

Yes please.

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:05 am

That's funny, but true!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:19 am

When I go down there this year I will try my best to find the best hardy seed I can, and disperce them throughout the forum.

sounds great...........are there any high elevation valleys which might pool cold air............like a frost hollow? Start looking at the bottom and walk up the sides to find the Yuccas growing closest to the bottom.........these may be hardier than the ones near the peak since cold air does not 'pool' at the peak.

This is how the hardiest Eucalyptus's are collected.
rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/.../Cun7McD601.pdf

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... mQ&cad=rja

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:02 am

TimMAz6 wrote: sounds great...........are there any high elevation valleys which might pool cold air............like a frost hollow? Start looking at the bottom and walk up the sides to find the Yuccas growing closest to the bottom.........these may be hardier than the ones near the peak since cold air does not 'pool' at the peak.

Exactly! Just because they are found at higher elevations does not mean more cold hardy. Cold does not pool on mountain tops and sides.

I will see what I can find Tim. Most of the problem with getting seeds from Y. schottii is I can never find any with seeds. I hope this trip will be better.

I think this year I'm going to get some seed off the trunking baccata's if they are baccata.

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:55 am

Just came back from the Baja California in Los Cabos.....it was just perfect, the hotel, beaches, sun and palms. I never seen so much Washingtonia and Phoenix in my life, just crazy...temp. was between 22-30c all the 2 weeks i ve been there.
There s few pics.....just dream guys...
The last pic, i was in the desert and you can see a 400 years old Gardon cactus behind me, amazing....

Ben

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:43 pm

Nice! Wish I was there.
Did you swim? What is the ocean water temperature like?

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:11 pm

I was at the limit of the sea of Cortez and Pacific ocean. Yes i was able to swim, small waves and sea temp. of 72-75F, a little colder. The pools at the Hotel Riu Santa Fe was heated at around 80F. I did surf on the Pacific side and the water was a bit colder, around 70-72F i guess.
Very nice Hotel, a lot of American like you from the middle west....

Ben

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:41 pm

Hey Beny, thanks for the great photos.

Those two yucca to your left behind you in last photo...

in front of the towering cactus...
And the 10 foot cactus up against the building is a fine specimen.

Beautiful landscaping; done with taste.
Agree that the combination of Phoenix and Washingtonia is a nice one.
And the agaves provide great color combination.

Barb

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:58 am

Yes Barb, the landscaping at this Hotel is amazing, lots of Agave giving a color touch. The sprinklers turned on every morning to keep the grass green. Thats the only place they have grass in Cabo, at the Resorts and Golf course

.
More pics...

Ben

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:24 am

We hit -18C! Coldest in a few years here. We'll see if the winter has anything else in store for us.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:14 am

-18C is a good test for many plants. I hope all is well.

I won't be removing any protection yet.........forecasts change fast. A nice dump of snow is coming our way.

The snow amounts on the map are in inches not cm.

I was in the 10-14 inch (25-35cm) area...now 18"-24". Troy is in the 18-24 inch (45-61cm) area.

<img src=http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/StormTotalS ... owFcst.png>

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/StormTotalSnow/index.php#

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:52 am

You can all hate me, but freaky warm here and the forecast is for rain, not snow! Many potted plants back outside.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:10 pm

now I'm in the 18" to 24" zone.........this will make for some great photos.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:23 pm

Ugh, Tim...but you haven't had much snow yet, so maybe it's the last hurrah.

Spread your nice weather around please Erik.
Oregon isn't really that much colder than you.

Wow, Beny, what are those blue ones in your last pic? anybody know the ID?
Presume their teeth say Agave?
Fabulous color.

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:15 pm

We'll see what happens..........it seems kinda early to be predicting snowfall amounts.............most likely it will change.

We are a little behind regarding 'average' snowfall. We stand at 18.0 inches (45.7 cm) the 'normal' amount for today would be 21.1 inches (53.6 cm) so this storm will push us ahead of 'normal'.........if it comes.

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:44 am

Barb,
Its a Agave, the one they make Tequila with...they planted a lot at this hotel, and we saw many along the principal highway from San jose Del Cabo and Cabo San Lucas. Very nice place to live, mexican people are so nice.
Ben

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:07 am

Nice pics!

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:08 am

We're getting the Nor'easter rain here now, wil lsnow later but only 3 to 6 inches unlike you up there! Have fun!!!!!