Schefflera Taiwaniana and others

andym · Post by **andym** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:21 pm

Well I'm starting to build up my Schefflera collection after losing most to December'10 (the rest of the Winter was a walk in the park compared to that month

) High on my list was Schefflera Taiwaniana

Here's a pic of my old Schefflera Taiwaniana

These are the queen of the Scheffleras but there are others. Another popular but less hardy Schefflera is Macrophylla

This Schefflera can grow leaves that can grow over 1ft in length

Probably the hardiest Schefflera is Rhododendrifolia aka Impressa.

I have two and have planted one at the bottom of my garden with lower light level.
Another schefflera that is hardy is Chapana surviving easily December'10 for me but not everyone

Well thats it for now folks.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:38 pm

Nice post, Andy! I've always been interested in Scheffleras, although what is hardy in the UK is not necessarily hardy in my zone!

One day I'll try out S. delavayi, although it doesn't really look like a real Schefflera

. There's also S. "Yuan Shan", as well as some east African species which need a bit more hardiness testing.

andym · Post by **andym** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:11 pm

Cameron... Schefflera Delavayii is not so easy to get hold of over here. There are two versions of it .. one with smooth unserrated leaves and the more common oak leaved variety.
As you can see most are in pots. Since the '09/10 Winter we have had more severe frosts over a longer time period. I do believe they do best under a canopy which can help reduce radiation frosts
My Taiwaniana is about to have a second flush this year.. so this plant will put on a foot of growth this year

Good to see side shoots forming also.

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:34 pm

What the nice plants! I feel jealous a little bit! You British could obtain almost any plant from over the World. Good luck with yours!

andym · Post by **andym** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:42 am

Hi Igor... Yes we are fortunate to have intrepid explorers who travel the world and collect seed from places of considerable cold.
Sadly in your part of the world these plants would probably fry in your Summer heat. As for your winter

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:55 am

Really nice....I like the one in the second pic that is throwing out a billion leaves at once!

andym · Post by **andym** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:48 am

Cameron_z6a_N.S. wrote:Nice post, Andy! I've always been interested in Scheffleras, although what is hardy in the UK is not necessarily hardy in my zone! One day I'll try out S. delavayi, although it doesn't really look like a real Schefflera . There's also S. "Yuan Shan", as well as some east African species which need a bit more hardiness testing.

Hey Cameron... I just remembered the Schefflera Delavayi at the UBC http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/ ... vayi_1.php. Thats a stonkingly good looking plant

andym · Post by **andym** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:59 am

hardyjim wrote:Really nice....I like the one in the second pic that is throwing out a billion leaves at once!

Yes Jim this plant was multi stemmed. It was grown from seed collected at 4000 mts in Taiwan. It even flowered and set seed. But they were not ripe enough to survive the December '10 freeze and nor was the plant

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:36 pm

Wow.......those Scheffleras are beauties!!!!

I'm always looking for Scheffleras but the available species (taiwaniana and delavayi) will not likely be hardy in my climate. I would love to try the rhodo type. Does anyone sell seeds of the Rhodo type??

andym · Post by **andym** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:55 pm

Hi Tim... nice to hear from you again

I am sorry to say that hardy Schefflera seed is difficult to come by.Possibly one reason is that one seed can produce a plant costing £40-£50. More lucrative to sell plants than seeds. Anyhow I'll keep a lookout.
I visited Pan Global Plants a few months ago and aquired two more Schefflera... another slightly different form of Taiwaniana and the rare Schefflera Delavayi (oak leaved form)

Above is Delavayi

Schefflera Taiwaniana much longer leaved than the Crug plant.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:50 pm

Hi Andy,

I must have missed this last post.

Your new purchases look GREAT! They are beauties.

In your opinion what is the hardiest Schefflera in the UK? Any tips on growing them? I ended up getting a Taiwaniana, a Delavayi and a 'species' which was collected at 2,150m in northern Vietnam which they thought was a Alpina or Chapansis.

Which is the least hardy in my group?

andym · Post by **andym** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:11 am

Hi Tim..... there's not a lot in it to be honest. Alpinia is very close to Chapana in appearance. Many of the Vietnamese Schefflera will take a freeze if only overnight and a return to above freezing temperatures. None will survive permafreezes of the like we endured during that cold December in 2010 except of course Schefflera Chapana and it still mystifies me how it did survive. Having said that it hasn't grown much either and I don't feed it. I still have some pics of the Scheffleras back then.
Schefflera Alpinia before the snow

and after

Completely flattened

Schefflera Taiwaniana

And after

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:56 pm

Hi Andy,

great photos of your Schefflera specimens. They had some height to them. Cistus Nursery states that S. delavayi is hardier than Fatsia japonica out in Washington State. Delavayi sounds like it may be a solid zone 7 plant?

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:55 am

WHERE can I get one of these at! I have been looking for Taiwaniana for almost 2 years and no place around here sells it. I have heard its good in zone 6 from a few people but I want to try it myself. If you get seed or take any cuttings Tim I would be glad to get them from you Taiwaniana or others since your the only US member I know who has one. seems to be a pretty hard find.

seedscanada · Post by **seedscanada** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:04 am

Mike check your nearby garden centre's that are supplied by Monrovia
http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... fflera.php

andym · Post by **andym** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:47 pm

These boxes arrived yesterday. Guess what was inside them

That big box is over 8ft tall

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:36 am

seedscanada wrote:Mike check your nearby garden centre's that are supplied by Monrovia
http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... fflera.php

I have asked a few and they said it is technically a zone 7 plant ( im in 6B come on now really...) so they don't stock it. Im going to have to find a monrovia place that is up for special ordering whatever. I really want one of these

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:09 am

try Cistus Nursery for hardy Scheffleras that's where I got most of mine.

Andy....................what's inside............HUGE Scheffleras?????? Show us!!

andym · Post by **andym** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:00 am

Hi Tim.... just done two fifteen hour shifts so a bit behind. Yes I have some more scheffleras and other rarities. Here goes.....
Circuligo Crassifolia.... looks like a small palm but isn't

A beautiful thin leaved Pittosporum illiciodes v illiciodes

Schefflera Kournasii.... a huge stem with leaves on top

from above

A brand new Schefflera introduction Schefflera aff Alpina....quite large leaves

Schefflera Alpinia

A hybrid Schefflera Taiwaniana x Gracilis

Finally Colquonia Coccinea v mollis

Not in leaf or flower yet but gorgeous when it is.
That's it and BTW did anyone notice seed?

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:29 pm

wow..........great specimen plants!!

Those Schefflera's are beauties. That S. alpina sure has large leaves.

How tall will that Schefflera Kournasii get? It's huge now!:shock:

OK which one of those plants is the hardiest.............cause I'll gonna try one too.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:11 pm

I guess I had never been to the cistus nursery site...lot to look through. I'll be at this awhile and see what I can find. if there is a tawianana its commin home ASAP

andym · Post by **andym** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:20 am

TimMAz6 wrote:wow..........great specimen plants!!

Those Schefflera's are beauties. That S. alpina sure has large leaves.

How tall will that Schefflera Kournasii get? It's huge now!:shock:

OK which one of those plants is the hardiest.............cause I'll gonna try one too.

Tim.... the Schefflera with big leaves is related to Schefflera Alpina as it has deep purple emerging new leaves but like Trachycarpus has many variants. But the leaves are much bigger than standard Alpina
For the life of me I can never understand how they get that tall as the plants literally grow in wood bark with no soil.
Hardiest in my opinion is standard Schefflera Alpina which I will plant out in the spring.
Miketropic ... good luck with your search for Schefflera Taiwaniana. There are so many variants of this species as well.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:51 pm

I contact cistus and they said they are out of them but they might be on mail order lists in the future..I keep striking out with this one.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:52 pm

Andy........can we plant Scheffleras in 'regular' soil mix or is a wood chip 'soil' required? I used 'normal' soil mix.

Mike........Cistus usually offers Schefflera delvayi too...........get that one........it's a beauty too.

andym · Post by **andym** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:39 am

Tim.... Plant in ordinary soil. Crug use the chipped bark because it is an available commodity and much cheaper than soil mixes. The problem with using bark is that the surface can appear very dry but underneath but fish can survive in the water sink below

I have lost many herbaceous plants through root rot because of this.
BTW I have emailed Cistus to see if they could ship to the UK.... no reply as yet
If your interested I could send you those Schefflera seeds I have on my Taiwaniana X Gracilis hybrid

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:58 am

You reference dec 10 a lot (understandably

) How cold did it get where you are exactly?

Also very nice schefflera collection. My arbicolia took -5C a few nights and didnt bat an eyelash!

andym · Post by **andym** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:49 am

Hi Jesse... Dec 2010 caught a lot people out. A blocking high over Greenland allowed polar air to flood into the UK and Ireland. That month long freeze killed many mature inland Cordyline Australis including my own which had survived nearly twenty years. Many people also lost Dicksonia Antarticas. All my Scheffleras with the exception of Chapana were killed. Temperature wise my low was -12C. Benson a village 15miles from me hit -18C Worse hit areas were the Midlands and Northern England where temperatures hit -20C. However it was not absolute temperature but the continuous freeze lasting well over a week that did the damage. For me even in mild Winters I will still get -7/8C which isn't a problem if your above freezing the next day.I guess your temps are a lot worse, but your use to it... we were not.
Ive tried Schefflera Arboricola with no success. Crug have Schefflera Microphylla which is similar and that died in my greenhouse too.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:54 pm

on the HTUK board the winter of '10 is an unspoken nightmare lol. was it the low temps that killed everything or the prolonged cold that really did it?

andym · Post by **andym** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:18 pm

Mike ..... I believe a mixture of both. Its pretty obvious on this forum that people use heat of some kind to keep their plants alive whereas over in the UK its mostly physical protection although some keen enthusiasts do use heat cables particularly on palms .But physical protection is only useful for short periods.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:38 am

Hi Andy,

thanks for the soil tips.

Which Schefflera are you interested in from Cistus Nursery? Far Reaches Farm also has Schefflera delavayi if your interested in it.

http://www.farreachesfarm.com/Scheffler ... /p3029.htm

Can you ID the Schefflera sp. from Far Reaches Farm? Here's a few photos of the seedling they sent me:

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<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/ ... 465a9b.jpg>

Here is the description from Far Reaches Farm:

"It's difficult to talk eloquently let alone persuasively about a plant newly collected and how it will appear in the various seasons and how well it will perform in the garden. We don't know a lot about this November 2011 collection from a shrub at Lao Cai, Above Silver Waterfall, Vietnam at 2150 meters. We can say it won't grow in Des Moines, Iowa or Black Duck, Minnesota but it will likely be happy as a clam in Seattle. These are young but sturdy seedlings which will really need greenhouse overwintering this first winter. At this young stage, they bear resemblance to Schefflera alpina and S. chapansis but since they were collected by Aaron Floden, we're smart enough to know that if he doesn't know than we don't know. It's kind of like that Donald Rumsfeld thing where there are known knowns and known unknowns and if we know we don't know than we know more than those who don't know but know they do. Generally I found little palatable about him but I did find myself defending him over this quote as it made perfect sense to me. Somehow seeing it in print makes it seem less defensible and my veracity more questionable."

andym · Post by **andym** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:30 pm

Tim..... Cistus finally contacted me.... Theres a min order price plus phyto certificates, shipping, and a charge for soil removal. Apparently they cannot ship Agave Victoria- Regina under Cities

not that I wanted one... as I have one.
I was not after Scheffleras but the Metapanax species. Can't find plants or seed this side of the pond

Regarding the Schefflera... I can't say that I know it but its a young plant and the leaves look similar to a plant I had. I'll have a look on my old laptop for a picture

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:02 am

andym wrote:Tim..... Cistus finally contacted me.... Theres a min order price plus phyto certificates, shipping, and a charge for soil removal. Apparently they cannot ship Agave Victoria- Regina under Cities not that I wanted one... as I have one.
I was not after Scheffleras but the Metapanax species. Can't find plants or seed this side of the pond
Regarding the Schefflera... I can't say that I know it but its a young plant and the leaves look similar to a plant I had. I'll have a look on my old laptop for a picture

usually its the other way around. about half of my good plants came from the UK seems like almuree can get you anything and alot of it is hard to find here. weird how that works.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:51 am

Hi Andy,

I did purchase both of Cistus's Metapanex plants a few months ago. The M. delaveyi looks real cool. The M. davidii has already flushed once for me nothing on delaveyi..............from the research I've done delaveyi seems quite hardy. Here's a photo of the Metapanex's and Schefflera's I received from Cistus.

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The Metapanex's are in the rear. All of them are at my office......I won't be going there today. When I get there tomorrow I can take a few close ups of the entire Metapanex's for you.

Metapanx delaveyi close up:
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Metapanex davidii close up:
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Schefflera delaveyi close up:
<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/ ... 380de0.jpg>

Schefflera taiwaniania close up:
<img src=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/ ... 051b97.jpg>

andym · Post by **andym** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:35 pm

Tim.... lovely plants...you've got the araliaceae bug without doubt

Looking at the leaf on the Schefflera Delavayii you probably have the oak leaf specimen, similar to mine.
I contacted Crug about Metapanax and they have a specimen but it doesn't set viable seed in the UK.

Mike.... Amulree is a popular Nursery in the UK. I lost out on their 50% Sale recently as their website crashed

My fault leaving it to the last minute.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:14 pm

Hi Andy,

the S. delaveyi looses the oak leaf look in age.........here's the same Schefflera from Cistus (Ron in Deleware has this one).

http://members6.boardhost.com/spanish2/ ... 76965.html

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:52 pm

Will pop in here to show mine:

I've heard this is: S.arboricola:

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/401268328/" title="Feb24 07 001 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm1.staticflickr.com/183/40126 ... z.jpg?zz=1" width="480" height="640" alt="Feb24 07 001"></a>

Sorry but these have never been my favs.
The tall one is still alive...despite my best efforts.

Barb

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:19 am

Barb, you have very nice "standard" arboricolas...

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:34 am

Igor,
Seems I have a penchant for wanting to turn everything into TREES

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:47 am

Keep yourself for the plants... Tree is just a kind of plant.You know... Tree is hard to remove if ...

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:45 pm

andym wrote:Tim.... lovely plants...you've got the araliaceae bug without doubt Looking at the leaf on the Schefflera Delavayii you probably have the oak leaf specimen, similar to mine.
I contacted Crug about Metapanax and they have a specimen but it doesn't set viable seed in the UK.

Mike.... Amulree is a popular Nursery in the UK. I lost out on their 50% Sale recently as their website crashed My fault leaving it to the last minute.

That sale was so good I wished I could have gotten in on it. I think it was 50% off and free shipping as well wasn't it? I have contacted amulree, desert to jungle, all of them and none will ship to the states so I lose out on those. All my UK plants have come from people I have met over the net. Recently got a Begonia Lux. from the UK..I think thats why I want a taiwaniania so much. The leaves remind me of each other but the taiwaniania is def more hardy

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