New 7-foot Fishtail

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:49 pm

I couldn't resist this $40 gem at HD today:
Nice to see a Canadian HD stocking something other than Majesty Palms.

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Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:53 pm

Very nice!
Easily worth the $40 premium over mine.

--Erik

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:45 am

I like the Fishtail Palm. Sometimes HD will surprise ya'. Never seen a fishtail palm around here. Good luck and good growing.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:07 am

Thanks Erik and Kent!

It'll be tough to provide the humidity Fishtails demand...the best spot would be where the family has 20-minute showers

Each winter I develop an "obsession" with buying exotic palms and drive ~100 miles looking for a new one.
Then in summer I run out of places to put them where they won't fry.
Strange disease...
H is soooooo tolerant.

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:05 pm

it's a beauty!! Fishtails are one of my favorites.

Okanagan desert-palms · Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:47 pm

Very nice palm Barb. I`ll have to check out the HD here to see what they have. Like I need another palm"LOL".

John

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:47 pm

That is sexy barb..... LOL nice price too.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:29 pm

I`ll have to check out the HD here to see

HD here DID have ONE more, same size/price...

let me know...I'm ready for another 100 mile palm run.

Tim, there are so many gorgeous Fishtail pictures on Google Image, but how people ID them is beyond me.
I'm guessing mine's a plain ole' C.mitis.

cp...I'm too old to have sexy palms

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:43 pm

BAHAHAHAHHAHAH

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:07 pm

100 miles for a palm tree run seems perfectly normal to me, especially during winter. pack a lunch and enjoy the drive.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:14 pm

Yes, 100 miles each way is what it took to get my Sabal "Lousiana."
Kent and I have to drive all the way down to Texas for a really good selection. Maybe next year....

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:52 pm

especially during winter

Perfectly logical to me.
Might take the dog...ooops, no room for the dog on the trip home

(hopefully)

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:47 am

Barb

The home depot in calgary blew me away. They had tables, and tables of ensete, and musa species, not to mention HUGE selection of super tall palms and other house plants. Ivenever seen a home depot carry such nice plants

This yeaer the one here finally woke up and brought in a few palms. I got a super nice looking Phoenix Roebelenii from there. I shouldve gotten the nice 4 foot bamboo palm too,.. i dont drive so i didnt have a way of bringing it home

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:46 am

Calgary?

A little too far to drive this time of year ... darn.
But I'll talk to our HD people and find out WHEN their stuff arrives.
It'd be nice to be the first person to "get into the nursery truck".

Bamboo (seifreizii) palm is fabulous--and you're fond of bamboo, I recall.
The palm stems get the papery bamboo-looking sheaths.
And they bloom like crazy compared to other palms, three times this summer for me!

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But, no, you can't leave a seifreizii out in winter!
Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:52 am

Lovely palm.
I think I might be the first here to try leaving any Chameadorea out for the winter, and only then in a heated, insulated palm hut. And the most cold hardy, trunkless species at that.
But yes, they flower well--I got three off of each of mine this Summer!

--Erik

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:55 am

I have a chameadorea cataractarum, it bloomed once for me. When you find the right spot it gorws well.

Eric, You should try the arborescent type of radicalis.... C Microspadix ( also called bamboo palm), can take -8C for prolonged periods unharmed, id try that as well. It needs a sheldered location in shade......

Nothing on my radicalis seeds yet

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:04 am

I tried to order a C. microspadix from Junglemusic but Phil was out. Maybe next year.
I want to see if I can keep these C. radicalis alive first.
I might also just get a cat palm and plan on it living in a pot. I have two other Chameadorea species in pots in my collection of "indoor palms." Accurate, as the potted ones had to come inside for Summer here!

--Erik

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:16 am

Exactly...... I have about, 13 seedlings of chamedorea lanceolata (ivowowo palm), and 6 seedlings of dypsis arenarum. Rare, and yes once again sexy palms LOL. IF my radicali sprout that will bring me to.... 4 kinds of Chameadorea. Then again i got like 100 houseplants......... and growing, i think i buy a plant every week or 2 now.....

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:47 pm

OK John, good news.

That last "Fishtail" was there, so I got it for you.

Wondering why I put Fishtail in quotes?

The HD nursery supplier, Rainbow Greenhouses (from the Coast) rep Debbie was there.
I told her I bought the twin to this "Fishtail" last week.
She said "that's a Foxtail, so was the other one, that was on the invoice from Costa Farms."
F O X T A I L S- S E V E N- F E E T- T A L L

I told Debbie about Palms North and she said "Oh yes, I've been on there looking stuff up!"

I also suggested HD bring in some Needle Palms, they'd grow in the Okanagan for sure.

Barb
PS--I'll deliver it when the weather warms...in 2025

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:04 pm

That is great news!
Very cool

I grumble about HD sometimes (e.g., when they left 100+ palms outdoors last winter, all of which died) but they are so large that they can get things shipped. I got my needle palms from them, for example, quite cheaply. So, keep working that new connection. --Erik

Okanagan desert-palms · Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:31 pm

Barb that`s great you picked up that palm for me.Thanks. What was Debbie`s response to Needle palms being shipped to Vernon? I`m still waiting for a response from head office Rona stores Canada re: Sabal minor,Trachy`s,Needle palms for the Okanagan. Their main supplier is Costa nursery farms.http://www.costafarms.com/Public/PlantL ... x?Letter=S http://www.costafarms.com/Public/PlantL ... x?Letter=R

John

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:42 pm

Debbie seemed interested that Needle Palms would grow here.

I looked up Rainbow-anything on the net, a couple of small nurseries?
Asked Deb for a business card; she didn't have one.

Maybe we should tell CostaFarms that Needle Palms should go into all Canadian HD stores...

Back to the palm...I'm absolutely blown away that they're Foxtails.
Can you tell the diff between a foxtail and fishtail?
If they were older it'd be easy, but I can't distinguish between them at this size.

Oh...Now that I have a 7 foot Wodyetia, I remembered I have ~25 of 'em in the basement sending out new leaves.

And our local letter carrier phoned to say a package of seeds has arrived, they've got it back at the post office "where it's warm".
Nice guy, huh?
Thanks for the Chamaerops seeds, today planted in a community pot.
Yippee, stuff to do so I can ignore the weather.

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:05 am

If you guys can convince all canadian hom edepot stores to carry needle palms, that would be awsome LOL. They dont even have anything really interesting at the one in my city.....

You can uaualy tell the difference between a foxtail and fishtail by the trunk. Caryota mitis has a white or grey trunk, especialy with age.... As far as I know foxtails have a more traditional trunk.. Id just looks up pics of both palms and check out the differences. And you know, retailers and other places can be notorious for misnaming palms and houseplants.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:58 pm

Guess I've gotta rename this topic (now that it's proven to be a FOXTAIL

versus a FISHTAIL

).

tell the difference between a foxtail and fishtail by the trunk

That only works on specimens that are old enough to show mature trunk color.

The ID/difference thingy drove me crazy so I researched it last nite until I got the hang of it.
Now I think I could tell the difference on every Foxtail/Fishtail once they're beyond strap leaves!!

Here's the answer, some of it from: An Encyclopedia of Cultivated Palms (Riffle and Craft):

All forms of Caryota (Fishtail) are bi-pinnate leafed. Some say it resembles the greenery on a carrot, which isn't just leaves on a main stem, but leaves on little stems on more little stems attached to the main stem. The technical explanation is:The primary leaflets have been replaced by separate and smaller stalks that then bear leaflets (with or without individual stalks). But don't confuse the appearance with "alternating" leaflets, which simply means the leaflets are not attached to the rachis directly opposite one another, but in a more staggered manner.

Wodyetia (Foxtail) are pinnate leafed, which means more than 3 leaflets growing from a central axis (rachis), whether on opposite sides or on a flat plane. Wodyetia doesn't grow leaves on a flat plane, but are plumose (all the way around--in a boa-like appearance).

That encyclopedia is wonderful (I should read it more often).

Deb was right. I definitely bought 2 FOXTAIL--not FISHTAIL--palms at HD.

...and yes, I'm going to hound HD to bring Needle Palms into Canada.
We'll see if HD is more "approachable" than RONA.

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:06 pm

Took a few months for the big Foxtail to put out a new frond.
(I really should change the topic from Fishtail).

Now I know why some people think the leaves look like they've been vandalized

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Looks like a roll of crepe paper, LOL.

And then one day the ugly duckling looks like this:

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BTW, John, how is yours doing?

Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:06 pm

Thanks for the update.
There is an ugly-duckling specimen at the nursery where I work. I think I am the only one there who knows what it could look like, eventually.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:12 pm

I've picked up many ugly duckling plants in sale/clearance bins.
With a little TLC--and a heck of a lot of satisfaction--they're among my most cherished plants now.

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:08 am

Very nice barb!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:13 pm

It's look'n happy!

CTPalm · Post by **CTPalm** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:28 pm

lucky1 wrote:I couldn't resist this $40 gem at HD today:
Nice to see a Canadian HD stocking something other than Majesty Palms.

<img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1208/517 ... 54e91d.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSC04080" />

Barb

I was thinkinking it looked like Foxtail when you first posted pic.

Barb I need your help!

I potted up my Foxtail seedlings and they are not growing and the green has faded to brown. They are in my house, temp is about 70F and out of direct sun. I just put plastic over the tops to help keep in the moisture.
Thanks
Paul

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:02 am

Paul,
Yup, my huge species goof.

Got a pic of the brown problem?

Is brown at the bottom, or the growing point?
Is there good drainage in all that new soil?
Could it be fertilizer damage? I'd recommend not fertilizing until the second set of leaves emerge. Or very very dilute, if you do fertilize.
But I wouldn't fertilize a sick plant.

Sorry but I need to see it.
Barb

palmtreecod · Post by **palmtreecod** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:17 pm

What happens when it gets taller than your ceilings?

I would never spend $40 on a fishtail, actually I'd never actually buy a fishtail with any money... you'll have to package something else with it if you wanted to give me one for free

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:33 am

I should have changed the heading when I discovered it was a Foxtail

Quite similar when young.

What happens when it gets taller than your ceilings?

I usually end up killing 'em before then

Barb

zomble · Post by **zomble** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:23 am

And then one day the ugly duckling looks like this

I love that Image below the above text!

And is fleece fireproof? I looked at your Image with small lighting at your link. I have been advised to do similar this winter with my new Trachicarpus f but I was'nt sure about it.

Thanks!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:52 pm

This is getting to be quite lovely, despite the still-ragged ends.
Looking forward to leaves fully developed.

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As with everything else around here, it's under a roof on the patio and gets only a few minutes of sun in late afternoon.
So far this leaf hasn't burnt.

Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:04 pm

Nice!
Looks a lot like my palm which I am unsure of. Maybe I'll photograph it for an I'd.
Mine, whatever it is, is potplanted in full sun and doing fine.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:35 pm

Always seems to depend on how they were grown in the nursery...in shade or sun.

You're buying all the sun-grown stuff, except maybe that big Sabal?
Mine must've been started in a cave, they can't handle sun.
Wish I had a larger patio roof.

Yup, a pic would be good...when your temp has dropped to 100F

so your camera doesn't melt.

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:44 am

that's a beauty. Fishtail type palms have always been my favorite. I remember growing a Caryota palms from RPS back in 2000 (germinated). These was suppose to be super hardy.......LOL......they died the first freeze up here in fall.

2004 photos:
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lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:36 am

Aw, what a shame.
I suppose "super hardy" is a relative phrase if you're growing 'em in Southern Florida

BTW, mine turned out to be a Foxtail.

Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:29 am

I am assuming this is Caryota but really don't know.
The frond in front is new this year and has some sun damage. This palm is in full sun, and it has been a little toasty lately.
The other two leaves are from last year and show damage from March, either late frosts or too much sun too fast.

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New 7-foot Fishtail

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FOXTAIL (not Fishtail) HAS A NEW LEAF

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