Beginning the germination process!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:17 pm

Hi Cameron,

zone 6 Protea sound great......we'll see how hardy they are on the east coast...........keep us posted.

CTPalm · Post by **CTPalm** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:21 pm

Hey Cameron how are your Chilean Wine palm seeds doing? I was so exited mine sprouted within a day after delidding and soaking but all the little white growths fell out a couple days later. I still have five seeds left I'm thinking maybe plant the old fashioned way.

I have five foxtail seeds (Thanks Dean!) that are sprouting on my cable box. It took just over two weeks.

Still waiting on many others.

Paul

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:50 pm

Paul, that's too bad about your J. chilensis seeds! I remember reading that sometimes de-lidded seeds can "abort the embryo". Maybe you can try cracking the outer shell, but not de-lidding. I've read about seeds germinating after this process within a couple of weeks. I'm not sure about the progress of mine, I'll check in a few days. Here are some other pics:

D. edule fronds emerging:

Protea subvestita germinating:

Nannorrhops ritchiana:

Phyllostachys pubescens:

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:30 am

THose Dioon even look bad ass as seedlings! Grats on the Moso too, watch out, they apperanlty need to be potted up quite a bit ( ive read their root systems are quite prolific), if they get too root bound the seedlings die, not to mention the usual ( i think its 50%+) mortality rate on the seedlings. From what ive read, the guy said loosly " out of a thousand or so seedlings a few hundred survived".

Those Nann. seeds are growing quite fast!

How are your paulownia seedlings? The one seedling i got fell over ( its still alive), and is putting out its second set of true leaves.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:18 pm

I think we've been reading the same moso site, is it something called like "Gator ventures"?

The pic they posted of the small seedling with the gigantic roots really shows people how the seedlings need to be potted up very early on! I let the soil of the paulownia and callistemon dry out a little too much, and the seedlings flopped over and died!

But, there are new seedlings coming up, and they're growing pretty quickly too.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:07 pm

Nice job Cameron.

Your Dioon edule will pass my 3 year old edule in no time.
Cars rust faster than that baby grows at my place.
Yet D.spinulosum is a giant with 4 foot long leaves. Go figure.

And those Nannorhops ... wow.
I finally threw my seeds into the compost.
Got tired of looking at them.

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:38 pm

Princeps ~6 wks after germination.

<img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5061/555 ... 920d_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="DSC04611" />

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:40 am

Ya cameron thats the one LOL. The other one is a someones blog from bambooweb.info (great place for bamboo advice if youve never been there. Ive seen Paul there). That picture of the seedlings root astounded me. Concidering most bamboo are "shallow" rooters, i didnt think the seedlings would have roots like that.

Too bad about the first batch of paulownia. I hope thats not what happened to mine

But good to hear that more sprouted. My friend offered me a 1 oz bag of paulownia seeds. I turned that down LOL. But on that note, hes sending me some Amorphophalus Konjac

flower
http://gardentenders.com/assets/picture ... s/2176.jpg
foliage
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/ ... ure402.jpg

They apperantly reproduce like MAD and are aroids, so can be dug up like canna!!! hardy to zone 7, and can take some more cold if heavily multched.

Barb thats great on the Princeps! My Fortunei seedligns are growing so quick, I think slightly faster then the Camerons Nannorhops . Ill post a pic once I get my batteries charged.

Grats again guys!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:02 am

Nice to see everything taking off.

And this Chamaerops humilis is miles ahead of its siblings.
Seeds from John's (okanagandesertpalms) own tree:

<img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/555 ... 8f3a57.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSC04612" />

Just received my CFPACS Copernicia alba and Bizzie seeds, now soaking.
Was actually trying for Copernicia hospita, but oh well.

Yes lets see more pics folks.
Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:24 am

Great pics and info, everyone!!

Barb, that princeps is awesome, and good luck with the new seeds. Canadianplant, I've read about the A. Konjac before, good luck with them!

Puya chilensis:

Nannorrhops ritchiana:

Yucca rostrata:

The first S. Louisiana are breaking the surface:

Same with Hyophorbe lagenicaulis:

Cameron.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:21 am

Great new pics!
You're almost ready to prune that Bottle Palm trunk...

Congrats Cameron on how your project is taking off.
You must see seedlings in your sleep!

I just looked at the soaking Copernicia alba seeds...they're starting to pop

My basement is full of seeds/seedlings and the 1+ year old Foxtails.
Can hardly move around any more.
I can only imagine what your Plant Room looks like, Cameron!

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:56 am

Good job with the Copernica!

Also, I sanded some Albizia julibrissin seeds and threw them onto some soil. I noticed germination beginning in less than 24 hours!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:57 pm

And you with the Albizia, too, Cameron!

Hadn't finished cleaning the pulp off these, no sandpapering needed for these fresh seeds:
Stuff's happenin' so fast before I could get a photo, here:

<img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/555 ... 15ed_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="DSC04617" />

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:19 pm

Nice work! How long were they soaking for?

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:42 pm

Two maybe three days...I didn't even enter it in my record, it was so quick.

It sure pays to be a Central Florida Palm and Cycad Society member, Palmateer magazine quarterly plus getting their seed offers by email.
Prices are cheap, think I spent $10 total for Bizzie and Copernicia seeds (shipping was more)

And Linda emailed me that she and another woman "had just picked them ourselves a couple of days ago" when I enquired if the seeds I was ordering were from the most recent seed set.

...still wish they were C.hospita seeds though

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:01 pm

Heres my trachy seedlings, and washy. The best pics i could get. The Trachy seedlings are an inch and a half tall, they grew an inch in 2 weeks since they get some light.

Washy

Trachy

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:09 pm

Well done Jesse!

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:42 am

Good job, Canadianplant!

It seems as if most of the sabals have decided to break the surface at the same time. Within the past couple of days, Sabal minor, Sabal minor var. Cape Hatteras, Sabal minor var. Louisiana, Sabal minor var. Louisiana (from Tennessee), and Sabal minor var. McCurtain have all emerged! The only one I'm still waiting for is Sabal etonia, and someone who received seeds from the same batch as mine said that it took them around 5 months to germinate!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:29 pm

Sabals will certainly be welcome in Canada!

Nice work Cameron.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:03 pm

I think this is the best place to ask this..

Whens the best time to trasplant palms, that are grown using the baggie method? Usualy for trees and other things, its 2 true leaves..

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:42 pm

I've always heard two leaves, but the risk of fungus in a baggie is so high that I'd be willing to do it at 1 leaf...gently with warm water.

RV friends got home and gave me Phoenix seeds.
Unfortunately they're all duds, probably why they were laying on the ground.
Damn.

<img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5251/557 ... f5a329.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSC04619" />

But they brought home these mystery seeds too.
Looks like coffee

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:42 pm

Canadianplant, 1 leaf or 2 leaves. Just don't do it before 1 leaf

Barb, those seeds in the 2nd shot might be Phoenix too. I've had some really short and fat Phoenix seeds that looked like those. I think they were the ones I picked up in Egypt.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:51 pm

That's encouraging that the second ones might be Phoenix too.
Thanks Cameron!

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:25 pm

Things are moving around here...
Liatris Spicata Blazing Star came up in two days!
<img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/557 ... eaa9fd.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSC04627" />

Here's what it looks like:
http://www.about-garden.com/fe/en/0001-Liatris+spicata/

And Hyacinth Bean (grows 14feet in a season!) two days also.
Latin name is Dolichos lablab:

<img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5063/557 ... 423b99.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSC04625" />

Here's what it looks like in summer:
<img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1232/136 ... 11bdb6.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSC00434" />

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:08 pm

Great work!

The first B. eriospatha are starting to pop up now.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:50 pm

How long was Butia soaking Cameron?
De-lidded?
Barb

CTPalm · Post by **CTPalm** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:24 pm

I know I mentioned this, but wanted to share Pic of these Foxtail seeds I got from Dean. I started on my cable box less than three weeks to sprout.

Still waiting on many others, but not as many as Cameron

Paul

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:35 pm

Congrats Paul, nice job.

Foxtails are great palms.
The trick is to keep them out of the sun though this summer, as the tender new leaf(s) will burn to a crisp.
At most, a half hour of filtered morning sun only
I had one with 3 leaves totally sunburned, no green remaining, and it died.
But they do love hot weather.

Others came back from a bit of sunburn.

Nobody's got as much to germinate as Cameron

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:40 pm

Barb, I think the B. eriospatha seeds soaked for about 12 hours, and they weren't de-lidded.

Paul, congrats on the foxtails! They're a palm that I've always wanted to try.

Barb, I think Toby at RPS might have a few more seeds than me

Protea subvestita:

Sabal minor "McCurtain":

Phoenix loureiroi var humilis:

Dioon edule (the taller seedling has grown about 2 inches in the past 3 or 4 days!) :

Cameron.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:38 am

A 12 hour soak for B.eriospatha is sure interesting.
Did the seeds arrive slightly damp?

I read ages ago that (some) palm seeds went into a dormancy if they were allowed to dry out completely.
What got me asking is that the Copernica alba seeds I received from CFPACS that germinated so fast arrived slightly moist in a baggie.

Toby at RPS might have a few more seeds than me

Just a few.

Congrats on new germinations, that Dioon edule is a keeper!
Mine grows slow as a slug.
Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:12 pm

The seeds arrived dry, and I kept them in a dry bag for a few months. I know this couldn't have been too good for germination, but it doesn't seem to have been very bad either! Most of my t. fortunei seeds arrived damp, and they germinated within a couple of days.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:29 pm

kept them in a dry bag for a few months. I know this couldn't have been too good for germination

It'd sure be good to know which species seeds should be kept moist, and which should be dry.
Obviously didn't affect the Butia.
I've never seen any more info on it.

Probably why some palm seeds take a year or longer...

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:51 pm

I remember that there was an "extinct" type of Phoenix called the Judaean date palm in the middle east. Scientists found seeds that were something like 2000 years old, and they germinated!!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:47 pm

Cool!
From the pyramids/tombs?

Hope somebody's followed that.
Now to get some of its progeny

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:57 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judean_date_palm

http://www.palmtree-species.com/2008/06 ... -year.html

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:09 pm

That was so interesting Cameron, Thanks for the links.

Methuselah huh? And medicinal properties! Wow.

Barb

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:05 am

The only thing about that palm, is that only one germinted, and they are unaware of its male or female ( last i read). Im sure if it set seed it owuld be everywhere in a few years ( i wonder if theyve thought abotu TC??)

Im away from home for a week..... No clue as to how everything is...

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:03 pm

They'll just have to find/uncover some more seeds, and hope for a female!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:56 am

Hi Cameron,

were the Protea subvestita easy to germ? I'll be starting my seeds in a few weeks.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:12 am

Tim, they were pretty easy. A few sites have said that they need a difference in daytime/nighttime temps, so I made sure of that for about a week. I don't know if it had an effect or not!

PalmsNorth.com

Beginning the germination process!

Foxtail Seedlings