Couple pics of the Tree ferns (-:

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:16 am

This has been/was a horrible hot dry summer to be
a T.fern in Iowa.
2 of mine/not pictured(-: /that get the most sun were partially fried.

The others outside a few deformed leaves from to much
heat while they were unfurling did quite well!

The row on the east side of the yard includes 2 C.Cooperi,
1 C.Medularis,1 C.Brownii,2 D,Squarossa and 3 D.Antarctica.

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D,Squarossa,D.Antarctica and C.Cooperi

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This(biggest)C.Cooperi is almost chest high and has an 8'
spread-5 gallon bucket is for scale.

If I can get these through a few more winters they will get crazy huge!

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C.Brownii is one of the fastest growing T.ferns,said to be able to grow 20' fronds!
The one pictured in front of the yellow bucket only had 4"
leaves on it when I planted it,they are now over 2' and
will probably be bigger than the Cooperi leaves behind it by the end
of next year even though it is a much younger/smaller plant!

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TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:17 am

Wow!
I am so impressed by your tree fern success. Thanks for the pics. Share 'em on GOTE if you haven't yet.

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:21 am

Jim, how come they grow so vigorously? Last winter I bought D.antarctica and planted it in a dense shade in my garden. There were not too hot in last summer (35C max). Day to day watering, day to day misting and it looks like a sh...t by the end of the season (dag up and planted into a pot a week ago).

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:09 am

I always thought T ferns cannot handle ANY sun if there isn't enough humidity (as in low-lying moist areas).
Think they need an overhead canopy.

Tree ferns are so beautiful once they have a trunk, but getting them there is another story.

Igor, could yours have been too exposed to the elements?
Maybe try a 100% shady spot next year?

So, Jim, would you recommend total shade?

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:41 am

Igor

It may just be adjusting to being planted in ground,
I have a few that haven't done much.
The ones in the sun were brutalized this year
from 100F+ heat.

Barb

I think almost any of the T.ferns will excel in a moist
environment and half day sun on the east side only.

Mine can take more sun this time of year,because of the low
sun angle now -the smaller Cooperi gets sun all day and looks great.

It did not get full sun during summer,the 2 planted south of it in
more sun got pretty roasted,they were supposed to be shaded by
a Banana plant but it never grew enough!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:55 am

Maybe some shade cloth suspended from the porch railing next summer would help Tferns get through the hottest months?

Meant to ask previously...if you prune off a couple of bottom branches, does that boost top growth?
A lot of plants really take off when "pruned up".
But the loss of shade on the soil might equal zero benefit.

Barb

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:59 am

Jim or Barb, would you please translate from the English to the Kazakh English a phrase "be adjusting to be planted"

I haven't got it...

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:03 am

ha ha, Igor, just Jim's attempt at short-mouth (short-hand)

Some plants do really well as soon as they're planted into the ground, some take a long time to respond to all that extra room for their roots.

It may just be adjusting to be planted,

Jim's still adjusting to being awake this morning...

Barb

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:15 am

Yes, of course! You are right absolutely, my dearest English language teacher!

In fact when I dug it up I wasn't finding any new roots growth... Unlikely they will be appearing during the winter. So most likely my t-fern wouldn't have a good growth next season.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:09 pm

I've always heard that roots grow into the Fall as long as the ground is warmer than the air.
Once a hard freeze arrives, they stop growing.
At least that's the way it was with apple trees.

I think roots in potted plants get too hot, someone said palm roots should be in soil 20 degrees cooler than summer air temperature.
Makes sense, so I usually put my 2 gallon potted plants into an empty larger pot, so the sun can't heat up the roots.

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:12 pm

left off the ing on being

I cleaned it up.

macario · Post by **macario** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:04 pm

Very nice jim !! gonna need your advice when I buy a tree fren or two next year sice im almost starting from scratch at my new house

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:19 am

lucky1 wrote:Maybe some shade cloth suspended from the porch railing next summer would help Tferns get through the hottest months?

Meant to ask previously...if you prune off a couple of bottom branches, does that boost top growth?
A lot of plants really take off when "pruned up".
But the loss of shade on the soil might equal zero benefit.

Barb

I don't prune anything off the T.ferns unless it's brown.
I will be moving the 2 that are in to much sun,I was
just experimenting to see how they would do.

Hey Mike

Any east exposure would be perfect for them....
Can't wait to see your new place and what
you will be doing with it!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:32 am

Igor

You may want to give up learning English after you see this.
Most people here don't really speak of it!

1) The bandage was wound around the wound.

2) The farm was used to produce produce .

3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

4) We must polish the Polish furniture.

5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.

6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.

7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present .

A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.

9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.

10) I did not object to the object.

11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.

12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row .

13) They were too close to the door to close it.

14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.

15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.

16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.

17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.

18) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear..

19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.

20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

Let's face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France .. Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth, beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?

How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

PS. - Why doesn't 'Buick' rhyme with 'quick' ?

You lovers of the English language might enjoy this .

There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is 'UP.'

It's easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP ? At a meeting, why does a topic come UP ?
Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UPa report ? We call UP our friends. And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver; we warm UP the leftovers and clean UPthe kitchen. We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car. At other times the little word has real special meaning. People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses. To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special. A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP. We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.

We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP ! To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary. In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions. If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used. It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don't give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more.
When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP .
When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP...
When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP.
When it doesn't rain for awhile, things dry UP.

One could go on and on, but I'll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP,so........it is time to shut UP!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:40 am

Excellent lesson, Jim.
I bet Igor's laughing his socks off...it's a good day when humor (spelled "humour" in Canadian, LOL) starts a day.

Great fun to read...now that I've read it

Must be raining at your place too, huh?

Barb

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:59 am

Jim, you gave me a nice Eng. lang. lesson to be learning during the next week! And Barb is right absolutely I was laughing while reading it! Thanks guys for your friendly humor and fun I'm finding every time entering to the PN!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:47 pm

lucky1 wrote:Excellent lesson, Jim.
I bet Igor's laughing his socks off...it's a good day when humor (spelled "humour" in Canadian, LOL) starts a day.

Great fun to read...now that I've read it

Must be raining at your place too, huh?

Barb

It never rains here anymore Barb

inch and a half over 3+ months and 2" cracks in the ground in places...

We had negative dewpoints a few days ago with humidity ranging
(during it's daily low point)from 4% to 23% the last week,meaning....
it's dry!

Glad you enjoyed that Igor!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:34 pm

Wow, Jim, not even two inches of rain in 3+ months????
And last year you got pounded with rain, if I recall.
That Sequoia doesn't like dry ground, I bet.

Helped daughter plant some shrubs on their property today.
The sun actually came out for a couple of hours.
After 4 days of rain, dry-as-a-bone dust 6 inches down.

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:54 am

Yea it's been pretty sucky

If this happened again next year I would
be getting rid of a lot of Cannas,EE's etc.

May-Sept last year 60"+
Less than 2" during the same frame
this year-add to that 7 weeks of 100F heat
and it might as well as not rained at all.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:05 am

From one extreme to the other, Jim.

Brutal.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:19 am

.........and at some point back again.

I do wonder if this drought is going to spread north
more still and if this summer wasn't a preview.

If this trend isn't reversed now through spring,
next summer could be rough again!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:07 am

Agree.

Probably why governments are now calling water a "commodity".
Sheesh, we already pay through the nose for it.

Are you on a water meter (house and/or garden)?

We pay by cubic metre, different rates for irrigation on acreage versus house use, but it's way too expensive.
Happy to have any rain we get...it's free.
But the buggers are probably trying to figure out how to put a meter on the roof to track how much rain falls from the sky.

Barb

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:55 am

Haven't been on in a while folks. Hope everyone is well. love all the posts in this thread. Love the tree fern pics too. How hardy are they ? I see ferns all over here, but don;t know they get very tall since everyone rips them out of the ground all the time. They are basically treated as weeds. Wonder why????

Still summer like here, low of 69 last night....and way too humid...UGH!

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:51 am

hardyjim wrote:.........and at some point back again.

I do wonder if this drought is going to spread north
more still and if this summer wasn't a preview.

If this trend isn't reversed now through spring,
next summer could be rough again!

Very nice ferns Jim!!!! They dont look as bad as you describe!.

Also, that Phyllostachys Nigra looks pretty good!

As for the drought spreading north..... The summers here havnt been too bad. My city has never had any thing to be concidered a "drought", but I CAN say the summers in general have been drier then I can remember.

This summer wasnt too bad. The last month has been very dry, maybe an inch of rain (untill last night, we got about 30MM (roughly 3/4 of an inch) of rain.

Last summer(2010), was VERY dry from april - august, and you could see the lack snow melt, and rain by june. The lake was down roughly 15 feet, the rivers were super low, and you can tell the ground water was diminishing.

I hope you get a decent amount of snow this winter. That might help you out in the spring

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:04 am

Barb

I water the Sequoia often.

Mike

These T.ferns actually grow into trees!

The Cooperi are the least hardy and can have leaf
damage from less than 28F.
The D.antarctica are the most hardy and can take
down to low 20s,some have survived less.

Jesse

A lot of plants are burned up this year,the main damage
to the T.ferns was some deformed leaves but otherwise
they look pretty good-except for the 2 that are in the most sun,
they got pretty fried.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:11 pm

Jim,

The Sequoia tree is just too cool. Have always liked them since taking trips to California when I was a kid. I see they are easily bought through ebay.

How long have you had yours in the ground? and how long do you have to keep protecting it over the winters?

Scott/Omaha

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:44 am

sidpook wrote:Haven't been on in a while folks. Hope everyone is well. love all the posts in this thread. Love the tree fern pics too. How hardy are they ? I see ferns all over here, but don;t know they get very tall since everyone rips them out of the ground all the time. They are basically treated as weeds. Wonder why????

Still summer like here, low of 69 last night....and way too humid...UGH!

Ostrich and cinnimon fern can get to about 6 feet, and purple royal fern can get that big, but looks like small mini tree ferns. Nothin like the 20, 30 40 feet tree ferns can get...

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:56 am

canadianplant wrote:
sidpook wrote:Haven't been on in a while folks. Hope everyone is well. love all the posts in this thread. Love the tree fern pics too. How hardy are they ? I see ferns all over here, but don;t know they get very tall since everyone rips them out of the ground all the time. They are basically treated as weeds. Wonder why????

Still summer like here, low of 69 last night....and way too humid...UGH!
Ostrich and cinnimon fern can get to about 6 feet, and purple royal fern can get that big, but looks like small mini tree ferns. Nothin like the 20, 30 40 feet tree ferns can get...

WOw cool...Thanks for the info

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:46 pm

sashaeffer wrote:Jim,

The Sequoia tree is just too cool. Have always liked them since taking trips to California when I was a kid. I see they are easily bought through ebay.

How long have you had yours in the ground? and how long do you have to keep protecting it over the winters?

Scott/Omaha

I got mine through e-bay from a great seller!

In a few years it will do better in winter although I think it
will always brown out to some degree.

I believe this will be it's 4th winter.

It was this big when I bought it-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-GIANT-SEQUOIA ... 3cbd3c6ed1

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:44 pm

hardyjim wrote:Barb

Mike

These T.ferns actually grow into trees!

The Cooperi are the least hardy and can have leaf
damage from less than 28F.
The D.antarctica are the most hardy and can take
down to low 20s,some have survived less.

Thanks for the info.....

PalmsNorth.com

Couple pics of the Tree ferns (-:

Couple pics of the Tree ferns (-:

Nice