Beginning the germination process!

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sun May 01, 2011 6:08 pm

Rob, that's fantastic news!! It's great that the E. p. debeuzevillei is the first one to germinate, because out of all of the eucs, that is the type which stands the best chance of surviving in your area! Everyone is looking forward to seeing how they progress.

zomble · Post by **zomble** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:47 am

What a lot of seedlings,

What a lot of work but well done!!!

zomble · Post by **zomble** » Tue May 17, 2011 1:35 am

I read a few more pages (4), more later when time allows.

Wow, Cameron those Images are a real help to me too. Especially for the Butia recently ordered...I got the sandpaper ready for when they get here lol

My problem is keeping a grip on seed when I am chitting any.

I love the Araucaria araucana which really look like mini trees, very nice. Are they the Monkey Tree?

Thanks!!

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue May 17, 2011 5:22 am

For holding the seed...

SOme people use a vice, some use pliers, some use forecepts ( the pliar/scissor things drs use). I just use my fingers myself. Even with canna seeds ( very smooth and slick), i had no problems myslef....

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue May 17, 2011 10:31 am

Needlenose pliers work great on smaller seeds.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed May 18, 2011 4:14 pm

Zomble, I'm glad that the thread can help you out! Yes, the Araucaria araucana are Monkey Puzzle trees.

I just used my hands to sandpaper all of the seeds. Although I ended up with a few scrapes, I think this was the fastest way!

I'll post another update within a few days.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:07 pm

My T. "Nova" have now also started to germinate!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:12 pm

Excellent!

Haven't even heard of Nova trachies.
Will be fun to watch as they develop...what are their particular traits?

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:11 pm

Barb, "Novas" are basically green princeps! I'm sure Jim could also provide some insight here

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Fri May 20, 2011 8:06 am

Methinks the most recent thoughts on 'Nova' were that they are simply T. princeps x T. fortunei...

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun May 29, 2011 11:48 am

Germination update:

Really impressed with this six-inch long leaf on the Chamaerops humilis seedling.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/5772557768/" title="DSC04740 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/577 ... c7bcce.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSC04740"></a>

Next pic: A bit of curly leaf showing on the 2 little Waggies

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/5772603984/" title="DSC04741 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2314/577 ... 27d6b9.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSC04741"></a>

Next 2 pics, Not many Princeps germinated, but I only wanted a few anyway

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/5772557756/" title="DSC04739 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/577 ... 2f84ae.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSC04739"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/5772557740/" title="DSC04738 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/577 ... 2bc55e.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSC04738"></a>

Not like the thousand or so that Cameron germinated!

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:16 am

Great pics, Barb!

For the princeps you've got me beat! I haven't had any germinate yet

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:45 am

Barb 1, Cameron 876

I'm still stunned by that 6-inch long first leaf on the C.humilis from seeds from John.

Yet on my 4 year old plant, the frond leaf is only about 4 inches long.

Hey, did you notice we're at 28 pages on Cameron's great topic????

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:48 pm

A few more to add to the list: I've now also germinated Annona cherimola (Cherimoya fruit), Passiflora ligularia (Granadilla), Poncirus/Citrus trifoliata, and Zizyphus jujuba (Jujube). I'll post some new pics soon

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:11 pm

OK, Cameron 976 !

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:46 pm

Nice dude!

Cant wait to see the pics! trifoliata looks bad ass even with 3 leaves! Mines next to my Phyllostacys and russian olive. Cant wait for pics!

My incarnata seeds finally sprouted! Cant wait to try this baby here

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:30 pm

Canadianplant, that's great!! I know that passiflora seeds are really hard to sprout. I'm ordering a couple of P. incarnata online. Have you ever tried the fruit? I've had P. edulis and P. ligularia. P. ligularia tastes like skittles

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:13 am

I havnt eaten it yet ( or passion fruit in general, just the juice), but i was told its sort of like a weitrd mango apple taste, but slightly bitter?

A few tricks ive read up...

Citrus juice - Soak the passiflora seeds in orange juice for 2 days at high temps. The fermentation seems to help ( or extremely fresh seed). Incarnata seeds are harvested from half rotting ( super ripe) fruit, the citric acid helps replicate the rotting fruit....

Heat - Ive never tried this, but lighting a 15cm, quick burning fire on the soil above you rseeds apperantly helps, but so does bottom heat ( youve got that down pat). Temps in the high 20C seem to really get them sprouting ( my friend had his on a heating pad, 4 days later they all popped up)

Well draining soil - In my experience, they rot if the soil is too wet ( usualy cerulea does this, i havnt had these sprout in 5 tries).

Stratification - Incarnata/cerulea need to be stratified for 90 days. My advice is after they are soaked and sown, put them on some bottom heat. If that doesnt work after say, 2 months, throw em in the dridge for 90 days, and try again. The seed can stay viable for a few years, and c an take 100 days to sprout. These seem to require more patience them palm seed.

One way i think you should try ( since incarnata is 90% sure to be hardy there), in the fall, after soaking them, sow them directly in the ground where you want them. In groups or 5 or 6 ( a low germination ratio apperantly), after your winter, they should come up around april or may ( depending on temps in spring)

The good thing is, all passiflora can benefit from soaking on orange juice ( in my experience, and a few other people had the same results).

Let us know how it goes dude!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:36 am

Cameron_z6a_N.S. wrote:Barb, "Novas" are basically green princeps! I'm sure Jim could also provide some insight here

Nobody knows for sure what Nova is,I have believed for a while they are
some kind of PrincepsxFortunei cross but there is very little(if any) evidence for this
except that they grow very close together.

They are said to be the fastest growing Trachy and have a very stretched out growth,generally.

Heres a shot of one from the National Trachy collection U.K.
Funny,they have a small Princeps in front of it.

While were at it.....
Heres my favorite(all time)picture of Princeps-from Garry at coldplant.com

Cherish those Princeps seedlings Barb( don't over water them,
they have a tendency to damp off),they may end up being your
favorite palm.
In about the third year(with some heat)they should begin to put
out their character leaves.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:54 am

Thanks for the UK pic, Jim.
Wow, that Nova is one stretched out Trachy, such a thin stalk and petioles.
It'd be destroyed in any wind IMO.

I'm with you...Princeps wins hands down for appearance.
And wouldn't crumble in a storm.

Thanks for the Princeps seedling watering tip...will do.
I've got 'em in very fast draining gritty soilmix, water comes out the bottom as fast as I add it.
So far, they don't seem to mind full sun.

Everything else seems to be sunburnt to rat-poop this year

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:06 am

Thanks, Jim!

All of the trachy posts on the EPS board are great! Your thread on takils is starting to get a little long!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:00 pm

Princeps more than any other Trachy respond to heat-
when they are small they don't need full sun,half day
or dabbled sun is fine-young Trachy seedlings seem to
suffer in to much sun.
In habitat they are quite shaded(usually)early in life.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:08 pm

Thanks for the info!

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:03 pm

Some loquats have now started to germinate as well

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:14 pm

Man, your place must be chock-full of seedlings, Cameron!
WTH is a loquat?

Time for new pics...

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:23 pm

Barb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat

Even though it's a "zone 8 indicator plant", a fair amount of people have gotten them through zone 7a winters, so hopefully I can do the same!

JackLord · Post by **JackLord** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:29 am

Cameron_z6a_N.S. wrote:Barb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat

Even though it's a "zone 8 indicator plant", a fair amount of people have gotten them through zone 7a winters, so hopefully I can do the same!

Cameron, you are always a few steps ahead of me. I contemplated a Loquat this year, but have put off the decision until next spring. I have head that there are some around here, but they do not fruit. They are pretty cool trees. Have you ever eaten the fruit?

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:34 am

Jack, I've never tried them! The wikipedia article says that they taste like a cross between a peach, citrus, and mango!

JackLord · Post by **JackLord** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:45 am

Cameron_z6a_N.S. wrote:Jack, I've never tried them! The wikipedia article says that they taste like a cross between a peach, citrus, and mango!

My cousin, who has one growing and fruting outside here office in Myrtle Beach, says the same. Gotta be good.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:27 am

Here are a couple of pics of part of my "trachy forest"

:

In the front are T. "Hayes Stiffie", and in the back are T. fortunei from Tennessee

Cameron.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:52 am

Holy Toledo, Cameron!!!!
Have those seedlings ever developed nicely.
Won't be long until you're potting up.
Thanks for the update pics...nice to see.

Re loquat

a cross between a peach, citrus, and mango

Sounds delicious...
Is it my imagination or does EVERYTHING originate in China (plants as well as consumer goods!)

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:34 am

Barb, soon you and John will each have 10 times as many seedlings from the seeds of your trachy!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:05 pm

Great looking seedlings!

Steve

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:08 pm

Thanks, Steve!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:34 pm

10 times as many seedlings

Apparently you're getting the first batch, Cameron!

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:41 pm

lucky1 wrote:
10 times as many seedlings

Apparently you're getting the first batch, Cameron!

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:42 pm

I took a few updated pics of some of the stuff that I'm growing, but this is nowhere close to everything

Araucaria araucana, you can see that the one in the front left is starting to branch:

Passiflora ligularis:

Sabal minor "Cape Hatteras":

Poncirus/Citrus trifoliata:

Changshu kumquats on the left, P/C trifoliata and Yuzange in the middle, Thomasville Citrangequat on the right:

Loquat:

Zizyphus jujuba:

Nannorrhops ritchiana var. Kashmir in the front and Butia eriospatha in the back:

Sabal minor "McCurtain" on the front right, Sabal minor "Cape Hatteras" going up the left side, and regular Sabal minor going up the right side:

Sabal minor var. Louisiana from Tennessee in the front, and regular Sabal minor var. Louisiana in the back:

T. fortunei "Tesan South Mountain" on the left, T. fortunei "Tesan North Mountain" in the middle, and T. fortunei "Tesan Cultivated" on the right:

Plumeria in the front, and T. "Nova" in the back:

Chamaerops humilis var. Cerifera:

Hyophorbe lagenicaulis:

Dioon edule:

Phyllostachys pubescens:

Opuntia humifusa:

Beaucarnea recurvata, around 4 years old from seed:

Unknown aloe, around 4 years old from seed:

Macadamia:

One of two older Pineapples:

Younger Pineapple with new pup growing:

Phoenix dactylifera, started from seed collected in Luxor, Egypt:

Cherimoya seedlings:

That's it for now!

Cameron.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:23 pm

I'll try to keep posting more pics as things progress

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:40 pm

Holy crap

the blue on the M,curtain and hatteras is amazing... Keep those babys updated:D

My trifoliata seemed to have stalled after transplanting. They are abotu as far along as yours are. They look wicked even as seedlings! I also got a pot of baucarnea. The first "tropical" plant ive ever grown from seed. They are slightly bigger then that, they LOVE it outside for the summer.

Everything looks right good. Tis the season, better then christmas

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:35 pm

Thanks

Are you going to be trying your trifoliata outdoors?

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