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Germination Techniques
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lucky1
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by lucky1 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:05 pm
Cameron,
Curious why such a
peaty mix for Aloe germination.
Not that it isn't working...
Barb
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:19 pm
I can see a long root on the Nannorrhops, so I know that those are moving along now too!
Barb, I didn't mix that container too well, so there's more peat on top and more sand near the bottom. It's about a 50% peat, 40% sand and 10% vermiculite mix.
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by canadianplant » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:25 pm
Got some good roots on the bottom on my Trachy "tesan" baggie. Looks like 3/5 so far!! One of the trifoliate seeds sprouted too..
Sidenote.............. we got a foot of snow today
At least the temps have been slightly above normal so far!
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by lucky1 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:39 pm
didn't mix that container too well
In a hurry, were you?
Congrats on the Nannorhops!
After sandpapering mine about 3 times in 3 weeks and back into water each time, I equate it with trying to sprout granite.
Can you divulge your Nannorhops seed source?
'coz I'm not getting any more from my N.ritchiana source...ever.
Barb
Jesse, congrats...our posts crossed.
A foot of snow?
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:41 pm
I just took 2 more pics of the Aloe ecklonis seedlings. The soil looks especially "peaty" since I've been watering everything!
lucky1
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by lucky1 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:44 pm
Get your teaspoon ready, Cameron, for the potting up.
Light is more crucial now than bottom heat, I'm sure you know that.
Barb
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:49 pm
canadianplant wrote: those grow pretty quick!
Not as quick as A. parryi:
Barb, I'm going to have to take a week off to pot everything up!
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by canadianplant » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:50 pm
Holy crap......... its barley been a week right?
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by canadianplant » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:55 pm
Thats amazing.... i thought they grew slow LOL
Hows the moso seeds? You said you seen some roots..
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:57 pm
Once they're older I think they grow slower. If I remember, desert plants usually sprout and grow quickly, because they need to take advantage of the moisture/good conditions before it's gone!
The Moso seeds are still going slowly right now, I think I can see some roots on a couple of seeds, but it's hard to tell.
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by Okanagan desert-palms » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:51 pm
Very nice to see all those seeds popping for you guys. I always like the expression on peoples faces when you tell them you grew it from seed
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:08 pm
The first Y. rostrata has germinated, and roots are now visible on Sabal minor "McCurtain", and Sabal minor. I didn't end up de-lidding any sabal seeds due to lack of time!
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by canadianplant » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:12 pm
Awsome dude. Im still waiting ont he sabal minor i planted in december
The other Sabal seeds have only been planted a week or 2.
I found one, paulownia seedling after takin a look for the first time after sowing. It needed a spray, and one thin seedling was there.
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by lucky1 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:39 am
Had heard that y.rostrata germinate only so-so.
I had 10 seeds, only 1 popped a few years ago, but I didn't sandpaper them.
Will be interesting to see your results.
Barb
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by Okanagan desert-palms » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:42 pm
Of all the seeds I`ve ever germinated Yucca seeds are the easiest "if fresh" to grow. Just a heads up put a fan on your seedlings. You will need this to mimick nature, and a heathly mature plant IMO.
John
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by canadianplant » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:46 am
Im assuming the fan keeps them dry, and strong??
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:46 am
I've now noticed germination in Embothrium coccineum and possibly Fuchsia magellanica.
Canadianplant, congrats on the paulownia and a. parryi !
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by Okanagan desert-palms » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:40 pm
The fan is to make the trunk stronger.
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by canadianplant » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:20 pm
uh oh, Cameron hasnt updated for a few days, I think hes finally buried under his mountain of seeds
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:42 pm
Canadianplant, I've just been really busy
Bad news first: The leaf of the Welwitschia mirabilis has flopped over and died. I've come to the conclusion that I was keeping the soil too wet. Luckily, I have more seeds.
Good news: Some roots are emerging on the Hyophorbe lagenicaulis (I didn't de-lid them). The Fuchsia magellanica are germinating, and the first spears are emerging on the Nannorrhops ritchiana!
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by lucky1 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:52 pm
Yippeee, bottle palms, one of my favs.
You'll love these Cameron.
Congrats on the palms...
Barb
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:09 pm
Here are some of the N. ritchiana emerging:
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by gpenny » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:11 pm
Cameron
Are those Mazari seeds ones you recently delidded? If so, how long ago?
Thanks!
Gayland
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:58 pm
Hi GPenny,
Yup, they're the ones that I de-lidded. I de-lidded them on the 15th of Feb, and planted them on the 27th.
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by gpenny » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:03 pm
Did you keep them in plastic bags until they showed signs of sprouting or in water soak?
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:07 pm
I kept them soaking in water. There are some pics on pages 9 and 10 of this topic.
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by gpenny » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:18 pm
Sorry to keep bugging you, but were they completely emmersed in water? Do you keep them emmersed even after root growth had started? I used the baggie method after delidding and they just rotted!
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:23 pm
No problem!
I kept them completely immersed in the water, even though some of them started popping within a day or so. When I planted them, I made sure to sterilize the soil by using boiling water first.
With de-lidding, I've read that the most important part isn't necessarily how much you de-lid, but the cleanliness of the soil/medium that the seeds will be planted in.
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by gpenny » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:34 pm
Thanks much! Still have quite a few left to try.
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by lucky1 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:39 pm
Nice to see
somebody's N.ritchiana come up...
With the exception of the top one, seeds look totally buried in soil?
Thought halfway was recommended?
Barb
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:05 am
Barb, the only seeds that I didn't bury completely were the small ones (paulownia, fuchsia, etc) and the Dioons.
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by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:09 am
Good work, Barb! my princeps still haven't started germinating yet
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by hardyjim » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:57 pm
I like to wait until they have their first green leaf before potting up.