sabal minor germination

damir · Post by **damir** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:50 am

i had few sabal minor seeds,that didnt move for one year(didnt germinate). at palm talk i saw somebody did this methode. cut part where the seeds should germinate. seed rises in 2 days in water. before it was in water for few days. and when i cut that part of the seed, it germinated in 2 days in water. every day I changed the water, temperature of the water was warm.

this methode worked for me and second time, with brazoria seeds. if i didnt do that i dont think that would ever germinate. this might be good for other species that are very slow to germinate.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:51 am

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hi damir,

I read that on another site, the fellow called it "de-lidding".
I must've done something wrong because NONE of my non popping Foxtails germinated after this process.
But 25 Foxtails that did germinate were enough for me (maybe)

Glad it worked for you.

Here is my failed attempt:
[url]http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewtop ... idding[url]

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:52 am

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lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:58 am

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damir,
Tried the "delidding" recommended by another site:
http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewtop ... =delidding

Glad it worked for you.
I didn't do it right, but had enough Foxtails anyway.

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:24 pm

thanks for the tip Damir! In the past I germed Sabal seed at 90F (32.2C) inside a 'cooler' with a heating pad.

damir · Post by **damir** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:36 am

here it is pic of that one which germinates by that

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:43 am

How long did it take to germinate the sabal seed, damir?

I'm having no success with seeds this winter...nada!
Chamaerope humilis, Nannorhops ritchiana, Pritchardia hillebrandii, Cyrtostachys renda.

And only 2 Trachycarpus wagnerianus have popped, and they look weak and sick.

Your seedling looks very strong.
Barb

damir · Post by **damir** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:45 am

and here is how i did it. cut it with knife, not too much, keep in water for few days and there u go

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:00 am

So after waiting a year, you "de-lidded", placed in water and it responded within a couple of days

I'm worried a knife will dig in too deeply and kill the embryo.
Would sandpaper achieve the same result, but with less risk of damage?

I have to try that technique AGAIN with my seeds.
But it's only been 8 weeks...

Winter is so boring, and waiting for seeds is boring too.

Barb

damir · Post by **damir** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:11 am

thats clever too barb. i think it will have same result. you should wait a while. mine were too long in soil without any results, so i didnt had nothing to loose. "operation" succeeded.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:41 am

you should wait a while

Yes, a little longer.

Damir, you're a patient man to wait ONE YEAR before trying the operation

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:54 pm

nice photos Damir. Very interesting technique.

Barb, do you heat the seeds? I usually keep Sabals at 90F or so in slightly moist (not wet) peat moss. They popped in 3-6 weeks typically.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:24 pm

I might have OVERHEATED them

next to the woodstove.

Last winter I used a germinating mat, near the stove, and almost all the Foxtails germinated.
Near the stove it's about 95-100F, drops down to about 80 o/nite.

In March when we seldom turn stove on anymore, I use the heated mat solely.

And in April I usually throw the seeds in the compost

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:48 pm

Tried it today with 1 Pritchardia, 1 Nannorhops.
Think I went too far, it's so hard to see what you're doing when scratching it back and forth over sandpaper.

The entire center part of the Pritchardia got loose.
I murdered it.

<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/539 ... 2a3031.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSC04387" />

And the nannorhops feels like a marble. Neither knife nor sandpaper wore that bugger down.

0 for 2.

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:52 pm

I'm going to try this method with some of my seeds, especially Jubaea. A guy on PalmTalk used it for a species of palm from New Caledonia. The seeds had never germinated for anyone before, yet they did when this technique was used!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 pm

Cameron,
how long have you been waiting for Jubaea to pop?
Are they one of the seed types that go into a dormancy if they are dried?

I might as well keep going trying this technique, only less deep.
The germinating pots in the basement are basically dead.

Take some pics when you do yours Cameron please.

Barb