PALM TREE WINTER PROTECTION IN MONTREAL CANADA

[coconutmike]

CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO OF PALM TREES IN MONTREAL CANADA BY COCONUTMIKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtTH8_MoPV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MscXZNnexVI

[coconutmike]

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[lucky1]

Wow, what a great display of palms bananas hibiscus, etc. and winter protection.
You've been at it for 7 years? Looks like 15 years!

I'm impressed that you offer winter protection as part of your tropical plant sales, that must keep you hopping in the winter.

Super website...going to go have another look.
Barb

[lucky1]

Finally....in Canada.
Congratulations Mike, well done.

http://www.montrealplants.com/store/pro ... cid43.html

Barb

[coconutmike]

HEY BARB

YEAH i'VE BEEN DOING LANDSCAPE DESIGN FOR 23 YEARS . I TOOK ACCOUNTING AND THEN GOT MY DOUBLE BA FROM CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY IN MODERN LANGUAGES AND LINGUISTICS. I WAS A TRANSLATOR FOR 1 YEAR SPANISH-ITALIAN-FRENCH-ENGLISH. I DID TRAVEL FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS THROUGH THE CARIBBEAN AND EUROPE. I MISSED THE CARIBBEAN ALOT . I WAS GOING TO WORK IN CUBA-MEXICO-JAMAICA-BARBADOS AND ITALY. BUT NEVER COULD COMMIT. I SAY 7 YEARS NOW BUT THAT IS ONLY BECAUSE THIS IS WHEN THE SERIOUS EXPERIMENTS STARTED. WE HAVE NEEDLE PALM-WINDMILL-PINDO-SAW PALMETTO-SABAL MINOR-YUCCA ROSTRATA-WAGGIE-TAKIL-MUSA BASJOO-MAZARI-CHAMAEROPS HUMILIS SILVER+GREEN AND MUCH MORE STAY TUNED FOR NEW VIDEOS
MIKE

[coconutmike]

HEY BARB- THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO VISIT OUR EXPERIMENTS -HAPPY GARDENING AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS MIKE

[hardyjim]

Everything looks healthy,do you have a picture of your Takil?

It must be pretty small as the seeds have only been out for a couple years.

[coconutmike]

Hello Hardy Jim -yeah the 2 takils are 1-3 gal size and I tracked them down in florida as small 1 gal 2 years back. They are growing slowly because I do not give them any heat or light during winter only a blanket and a rose cone.
mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6LTnNYl-uc

[hardyjim]

The palms look like Naini Tal rather than Takil.

Most of the growers(nursery people-not saying you) do not keep up with the latest on Takil,
unfortunately Gibbons & Spanner flooded the market(among others)with
100s of thousands of Naini Tal seeds,a great palm but not Takil.

The only seller with real Takil seeds these days(about the last 2-3 years) is Europalms,these have verified to be
the real deal,real Takil are 2 ridgers(first seedling leaf) and have serious tomentum
on even the outside of the edges of the first leaf- apparently another feature is Takil develop
divided leaves much faster than Fortunei or Naini Tal.

Can you get a close up of your "Takil"? would love to see a close up-

Thanks Mike

[coconutmike]

Hey there HardyJim . You may be correct about the takil species. I did buy this from realpalm trees.com 2.5 years ago and they new the varieties well and located what seemed to be takil. I do think that if this palm was trachycarpus fortunei(Naini Tal) it would already be bigger. Although Takil is known to grow faster than fortunei it usually always grows slow for the first 3 years like mine is doing. The foiliage is longer and more oblique than t. fortunei. In the us they often confuse waggies and takils but they are different in every way but are more cold hardy than t.fortunei 2-3 degrees warmer on south wall and as much as 5 degrees warmer on north wall. I have t.fortunei certified from BC and i have one growing on a south wall and the other on a north wall. When purchased were identical but now look like 2 different species. I even have t.fortunei from florida that look different. Some of the small one almost look like needle palms or a sub-species. Keep looking for new videos.
Coconutmike

[hardyjim]

Takil is slower than Fortunei,like Manipur,Latisecus,Oreophilus and Martianus but probably picks it up
a bit once it gets some size.

Europalms is the only place selling pure Takil seeds right now,most sellers go by
what the nurserymen say and there has been a lot of confusion/misinformation and plain dishonesty with Takil.

I almost hesitate to mention the Naini Tal business to anyone referring to their palms as Takil but I think we all have!

I bought one from Collector palms a few years ago,quite a curious palm,most likely Naini Tal
still an excellent palm though!

The strage thing about Naini Tal which MAY be a hybrid Fortunei x Takil,(I have no way of proving that!)
is that some are very fast and some very slow,I have one that grew like freakin crazy this year and one
that was very slow-all of my slower Trachys exhibit greater cold tolerance than the faster Trachys,wheather they
be Fortunei,Takagii,Naini Tal or whatever(I guess we should say the reniform group
as this is not true of Latisectus and Martianus),I have not tested my Manipur or
Oreophilus though,to tough to find of any size)

[coconutmike]

I guess the most important point is that we can tell the difference between t.fortunei and t. wagnerianus. As for the other species even a true takil from euro palms may also only prove to be a hybrid .
Coconutmike

[coconutmike]

How big are your palms? Do you have pics or videos? What is your zone.
mike

[hardyjim]

I guess the most important point is that we can tell the difference between t.fortunei and t. wagnerianus. As for the other species even a true takil from euro palms may also only prove to be a hybrid .
Coconutmike

Don't understand that comment at all,that information is(old) from reading off the internet,
I have never seen one person mistake Waggie for Fortunei.

There is a lot more current information than that on the internet,I am sure you will find it
if you look harder


Not likely that these "true" 2 ridgers (true meaning Takil)will be a hybrids.

The seedlings are part of the 2 ridger "family" which includes Manipur,Oreophilus,Princeps
and Nanus.
My seedlings are from Europalms and are all 2 ridgers,Takil has very long seedling leaves,
they are tougher than Fortunei and have a little furriness to the outer edge of the leaves.

A great place to read about Trachys is the European palm forum(free to join)and some of the best
discussions -period- on Trachys!

There has recently been a flurry of activity on there about Takil and some other Trachys,definitely worth
checking out,you may need to search the archives or just go back a few pages as understandably,
there has been a lot of post's about the horrible winter there.

I think you would enjoy reading through it Mike,esp if the weather is anything like it
is here!

Take care

JIM


P.S.

All my Takil are seedlings right now but there are some pics of larger ones with
character leaves on the
above mentioned site,along with some lengthy discussions-

Here's a picture of one of my Takil seedlings from earlier this summer,notice the slight fuzziness and 2 ridges.





Here's a picture from earlier in the summer of 23 Takil seedlings...2 ridgers-
note how long and skinny the first and second leaves are,not like Fortunei at all(are Waggy )
look at the one all the way over on the right,seriously long seedling leaf,typical of Takil.....








Zone is 5b


Link to pics


http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm22 ... 1QQtppZZ32

[hardyjim]

Bump

[coconutmike]

I think you read to fast because you completely missed my point. What I had said was that the 2 palms in the trachycarpus family that we WILL NOT mistake are t.fortunei and t. wagnerianus for obvious reasons. As for hybrids and mistakes about seeds sometimes we must wait and see how the palms start to look as they get older like my palms. You seem to know alot about takil and that is nice and so are your seedlings, but I know alot about 600 different species of all types of palms. native trees and shrubs with 23 years of experience.. I will visit the site to learn more about takil palm . One is never to old to learn something new . Thanks for the lesson. If you want to know how to grow and enjoy your palms give me a call.
mike Merry Christmas all the best

[hardyjim]

I know how to enjoy them


Thanks Mike,you have a great yard!

Sorry I missed your point,definitely easy palms to tell apart


Happy holidays to you and yours!

[lucky1]

Hey Mike

Are you planning on doing mail order (in spring)?

or maybe I should ask first if you have any 1 or 2 gallon Butia capitata.

Barb

[coconutmike]

Happy palming brother Jim.
B Regards to you and yours
mike

[hilashes]

Welcome Mike! I have looked through many many of your pics and l am in love with your landscape!! awesome awesome!
I too am growing hardy Hibiscus Rose of Sharon with two varieties; newly planted this year, first winter for them both and can't wait to see them next year!

Looking forward to learning from you and seeing more pics!

Heidi

[Paul Ont]

I must have missed this post before. Mike- Scotty got his large fortunei from you, correct? If I recall the price was quite good. I'd argue with you about your listed USDA zone, but I'm trying to give that up (it seems to piss people off when I look back at weather history for various places, for whatever reason...)!

You've been landscaping for almost as long as I've been alive, fantastic. Looks like you've got the winter protection down to an art. Any idea of the electricity cost? What do you use to heat?

I'm going to agree with Jim that the 'takil' palms you have are certainly T. fortunei (some call them nanital, but I think they are either the same or a hybrid with takil)... In the phylogenetic study they fell out with T. fortunei from various places. It's too complicated to explain here. T. 'wagnerianus' is now a variety of fortunei, just a domesticated dwarf. Still a beautiful palm, just me being a know-it-all.

For the record I garden in USDA 5a near Kingston (Kingston itself is now 5b due to the recent warming). I also am a scientist (biologist) and have worked in many fields, including molecular biology, mitogenomics, phylogenetics, ecology, etc.

Welcome to the board!