Sabal 'birmingham' in the North...

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:13 am

Hey everyone- I have a question for anyone growing Sabal 'Birmingham' north of zone 8. How does this plant fare in your garden? My thinking is that this should be a great addition to my place since it grows fairly slowly (won't out grow its space) and is pretty unique. Obviously in zone 4 it will need a great deal of protection, and since it's slow growing I have to make sure that it doesn't get damaged... ANyway- let me know how yours perform.

I'm also starting to stray away from the really out of zone stuff for the exotic look... It's fun and all, but boy when you can't be there for more than a few weekends a year, it's tough! I'm hoping that by getting some 'rarer' plants I'll be able to kick start my passion again... And maybe I am just losing steam, I've lost a lot of plants over the years and it does get to you after a while.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:45 pm

Hi Paul,

not may people growing S. birmingham in the north! Bill of Mass. picked up a b-ham for me and it's in my garden but will be protected this winter. I'll give you an update in the spring! They are nice 7 gal specimens from Gary's in NC.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:06 pm

Paul,
I have 24 Sabal "Birmingham".
In the small black pots are my two largest 9red cups have Sabal minor from Ft. Worth; large pot are mystery Phoenix someone gave my wife to give to me).

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TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:08 pm

Clearly, I have no experience with these in the ground and won't for a few years.
These are from seed collected in Raleigh, NC, last December.
I can't remember: do you already have Sabal minor? --Erik

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:48 am

I do have a minor. It gets placed in the palm house because, in my climate, they survive 1 or 2 seasons without protection (in my experience). Even the one that is in the palm house got burnt by a low of -15C the first year and has been recovering ever since.

I'm going to talk to Scotty about Palm hut construction since he seems to have it down!

Tim- Do keep us updated... I'm hoping for cold performance similar to Sabal minor.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:58 am

I had one a few years back,all my Sabals were small and less hardy than normal sized,

whatever the **** that means.

I know they vary,like any palm in hardiness.

I pulled the one I had and planted my Trithrinax there as I figured it would be
slow to recover.

I did plant one again this year.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:05 pm

Paul,

no S. minor has ever survived 'green' through a winter for me. This year I plan to protect a minor so it won't defoliate.

Stevea07 · Post by **Stevea07** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:24 pm

I would recommend some method to limit the number of hours that it endures below freezing. Also, it will do better if daytime temps. go well above freezing.

turtile · Post by **turtile** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:19 pm

I planted mine out as a 3 gallon and never protected it. The last three winters it's gone though 14F, 5F, and 14F. It had a good amount of tip burn after 5F. If it defoliates, it will take a long time to recover.

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hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:08 am

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TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:10 am

Yup, need a moderator on this forum, too.