Pictures From Today

[Jubaea]

I took some pictures today of some of the Palms and Cycads that I have. We have had an unusually cool summer this year. Highs have been in the upper 60's and low to mid 70's with lots of fog. We have gotten below 50 degrees each month so far this year. Things have been growing so slowly.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5013208312/" title="Large Cycas revoluta by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/501 ... cd93cd.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Large Cycas revoluta" /></a>

The plant on the right sent up a female cone spring of 2009. Below is a seedling from it.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5012605527/" title="Seedling Cycas revoluta by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/501 ... 8f0321.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Seedling Cycas revoluta" /></a>

Here is one that was propagated by a cadex from one of the larger plants.


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5012604943/" title="Cycas revoluta by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/501 ... 24ea56.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Cycas revoluta" /></a>

[Jubaea]

More plants.

Dioon Spinulosum

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5012605975/" title="Dioon spinulosum by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/501 ... a681ae.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dioon spinulosum" /></a>

Zamia furfuracea

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5012606551/" title="Zamia furfuracea by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/501 ... 04bf88.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Zamia furfuracea" /></a>

Dicksonia
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5013212606/" title="Dicksonia by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/501 ... 6de21f.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dicksonia" /></a>

Butia
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5013211216/" title="Butia capitata by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/501 ... a449f6.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Butia capitata" /></a>

Jubaea seedlings

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5013211954/" title="Jubaea seedlings by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/501 ... 72a3f3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Jubaea seedlings" /></a>

[Jubaea]

Does anyone know what the right time of year to dig up palm seedlings would be? I know that at some point in time I will need to dig up the Jubaeas, however I am waiting untill the ones that I have in pots starte doing well.

Thanks

Dylan

[hardyjim]

Beautiful,loved the Sagos,what is the one you have marked as Butia?

[TerdalFarm]

Very healthy looking cycads.
That Dicksonia looks very healthy, too!
All these seem to have liked your cool Summer.
As for the Jubaea, well, that is the palm I am least qualified to talk about. The few seedlings (Sabal) I am growing I leave in pots. It actually never occurred to me to give them a summer in the ground. Is that common practice? --Erik

[Jubaea]

Beautiful,loved the Sagos,what is the one you have marked as Butia?

I believe it is a Butia capitata, however the other one I thought was a Butia turned out to be a fan palm. It looks like some of my seeds have been mixed up.

[Jubaea]

Very healthy looking cycads.
That Dicksonia looks very healthy, too!
All these seem to have liked your cool Summer.
As for the Jubaea, well, that is the palm I am least qualified to talk about. The few seedlings (Sabal) I am growing I leave in pots. It actually never occurred to me to give them a summer in the ground. Is that common practice? --Erik

I planted these Jubaea about 2 years ago in their current spot as I don't have the patience to take care of empty pots for a year or even two years before they germinate. I am fortunate to live in a climate that I don't have to worry about cold protection for them. All of the Jubaeas I have in pots are not doing too well.

Most of the leaves on the sagos are from past years growth. This year 1 plant put on 4 new leaves and the other only 1 of the pups at the base put on 2 new leaves. The sago I have in a pot did not flush this year either.

[TerdalFarm]

Thanks!
My one Jubaea attempt was in a pot and it didn't go well. If I do try another maybe I'll try it in the ground. I get colder than you but am willing to protect more. I get MUCH hotter than you in Summer, which I don't think they like either. Today, the last day of Summer, we finally did not quite hit 90 oF and started a bit below 70 oF this morning.
I plant my two sagos in the ground each Spring and dig them up each Fall. One did OK; a 2nd flush is just starting now. The other did very poorly. I dug it up and am trying to save it in a pot.
Dicksonia is something I consistently kill. Did not try this year. --Erik

[hardyjim]

Erik

You would need a serious micro-climate for any T.fern,
mine are well protected from N.W.Southwest winds and still in early spring and fall
newly emerging croziers are at risk of being burned.



Jubaea

Certainly not Butia but a very interesting palm,what did you other one turn out to be?

Butia would not start out with such wide leaves,very thin straps and then they separate.

[Jubaea]

Here are some more pictures:

The first one is what I though was a Butia. Now I'm thinking that it is a Washingtonia.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5015312242/" title="Washingtonia by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/501 ... 32a1af.jpg" width="399" height="500" alt="Washingtonia" /></a>



This is my largest Jubaea. I'm thinking that it is 3 years old maybe?

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5014703437/" title="Biggest Jubaea by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/501 ... e7cd15.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Biggest Jubaea" /></a>

Here is another Jubaea. The first picture is from May 24th and the second one is from today.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/4637260791/" title="2 year old jubaea by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/463 ... caefc1.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="2 year old jubaea" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32696326@N07/5014702663/" title="Larger Jubaea by hellos1011, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/501 ... 7cf93b.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Larger Jubaea" /></a>

A lot of the smaller plams were in almost complete shade a week ago. I have been digging out Dracaena draco and Manfreda that I also had planted in the same spot to give the palms more sun. This may have caused them to stretch?

[hardyjim]

Don't think it's a Washy either,very interesting looking palm though.

You may want to shop it around on some other forums and see if anyone
recognizes it.

[TerdalFarm]

Jubaea,
try posting that mystery palm on http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/ as many members are from California and "id this palm" seems to be a popular topic. Then let us know what you learn! --Erik

[Jubaea]

Thanks for the ideas. If it is not a Washingtonia then I better hold onto it. I have collected Brahea edulis seeds before so they could be that instead. I will the picture on the recomended forum later on tonight when I have more time.

[hardyjim]

Definitely looks like a palmate rather than pinnate palm.

[Jubaea]

Here is an update. I posted some pictures on Palms.org and got 2 responces and we think that the palm in the ground labled Butia is indeed a Brahea edulis. This is much better than Washingtonia!

In the next month or so I will try digging some of the palms out of the ground. Hopefully they will make it and we won't get too much rain at once in the winter.

[TerdalFarm]

Dylan,
that's great! Brahea are beautiful palms--much nicer than Washingtonia IMO.
Here's a naive question: do you have to dig them up? Could you just let them grow there a while longer, perhaps with some mulch, and frost cloth tossed over for the coldest nights? I really don't know; just a thought. From the little I know, Brahea supposedly don't like root disturbance. --Erik

[Jubaea]

Erik,

I could leave them in the ground longer. We don't have to worry much about the cold here, however space is very limited. I don't know how much longer my parents will tolerate palms and other plants poping up all over the place. I thought it would be better to dig up the palms while they are small and have not grown too much.

Dylan