Fertilizer Question

ScottyON · Post by **ScottyON** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:59 pm

Hi everyone,

I would like to buy some of the Carl Pool's Palm Fertilizer but it doesn't seem like most ship to Canada. It looks like ebay.ca might. Does any of my Canadian friends have any ideas??

Thanks!

Wes North Van · Post by **Wes North Van** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:42 pm

Not sure about that fertilizer but I use Lilly Miller palm fertilizer and I am happy with it.
It is available at any nursery in Vancouver.

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:23 pm

What are the details on that one Wes ... NPK etc?

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:35 am

I'm a Carl Pool guy my self, stick with what you know right. I could read the ingredients of and we could compare if you want?

Bill

Wes North Van · Post by **Wes North Van** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:47 am

it is 10-5-8 with Magnesium, Iron and Sulfur. It is all natural ingredients. I also use the palm tree spikes from Charlie.
The palms I haven't used it on are yellowish, the palms I have used it on are a deep green colour and produce more fronds.

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:08 am

Carl Pool is 12-4-12 with extra magnesium and manganese plus 3-4 month nitrogen release from Ureaform. This seems to be the choice fertilizer of the South, it's the one for me. I've had great results with this one and will continue to use it

12% nitrogen breakdown
5.54 Ammoniacal nitrogen
0.93 Urea nitrogen
5.53 water insoluble nitrogen

Calcium 2.25%
magnesium 5%

sulfur 8%
5.80 free sulfur
2.20 combined sulfur
copper .06%
soluble copper .018%
iron 2.5%
.25% Soluble iron
manganese 2%
.28 soluble manganese
zinc .25%
.09 soluble zinc

Bill

ScottyON · Post by **ScottyON** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:43 am

Thanks for all the reponses. I will probably go with the Carl Pools in the spring but looking to give my palms some nutrients right now. I am going to use some epsom salt should I be using something else right now as well?

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:55 pm

Scott,
You can put some holly tone on some of your palms. It's mild enough to not make stuff grow like mad and has some good micro-nutrients too. Might not be the best for the washie since they like alkaline soil. What does everyone else think?

Bill

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:37 pm

If your soil temps are below 50F-
You can just throw money on the soil,it will have the same effect.

Wes North Van · Post by **Wes North Van** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:29 pm

Total Nitrogen 10%
7.3% Ammoniacal nitrogen
1.2% Urea Nitrogen
.2% Other Water Soluble Nitrogen
.7% Water insoluble Nitrogen

Available Phosphate 5%

Soluble Potash 8%

Calcium 1%
Magnesium 2%
Sulfur 12%
Boron .02%
Iron .5%
Manganese .05%
Zinc .05%
Molybdenium .0005%

The product is from California.

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:30 am

Thanks for that info Wes.

Jim, I bet his soil is easily still in the 50's in his palm hut.

Bill

Cowtown Palm Society · Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:18 am

Scotty,

This eBay seller will ship Carl Pool to Canada-I've bought it from them. The shipping is not cheap, but I personally think it's the best palm fertilizer out there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PALM-FOOD-Carl-Pool ... 3ef0f227c0

Duncan

ScottyON · Post by **ScottyON** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:59 am

Hey Duncan,

This is what I was thinking too. It looks like it would cost about $22 to send it to me. Is that what it cost you as well?

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:20 am

BILL MA wrote:Thanks for that info Wes.

Jim, I bet his soil is easily still in the 50's in his palm hut.

Bill

Frozen people/palms don't need to eat.

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:30 am

I don't think he's planning on using the Carl Pool until Spring Jim. Even if he uses holly tone or anything else on that line of fertilizers for acid loving plants they will do something even now. Ironite, epsom salt, ect.

Bill

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:02 pm

I AM GOING TO TRY CARL POOL NEXT YEAR,THE GROWTH YOU GOT IS INSANE!

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:27 pm

That's why everyone down South uses it Jim. One can was not even enough for me to do all my palms one time so I'll need more containers of it next year, at least 3 for me I think.

Bill

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:56 pm

Is that the 4lb can your talking about?
If so how much does the 4lb can make(gallons)
It looks like you pay(e-bay)including shipping about $5 a pound with the 4lb can....$20.32
And about $2.22 a pound with the 50lb bag - $110.81x 50lbs I'm guessing the big bag is what I need/with the money
I save on protecting/heating(not needing too because they will get to big)next year,I should be able to afford that

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:08 pm

Yeah Jim and everyone interested,
It doesn't go as far as you would think here's some examples for usage. The 4 pounds is 1.81 kg so you can convert to cups.

In ground palms:

2 to 3 feet - low application 1/2 cup medium 1 cup high 2 cups

4 to 6 feet - low application 1 cup medium 2 cups high 3 cups

7 to 10+ low application 2 cups medium 3 cups high 4 cups

Potted palms are much less. Hope this helped.

Bill

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:30 pm

It didn't but my translater says-Buy the 50lb bag

Cowtown Palm Society · Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:29 pm

Hi Scotty,

I think it even cost me like $28. My palms have loved it...right ratio for palms and the all important added micronutrients (well, two: mag. & mang.).

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:21 pm

I had every intention of buying Carl Pool off eBay, then continued surfing and ended up ordering this (thinking it was somehow in Ontario). Ended up being White Plains New York...hasn't arrived yet.
What do you guys think?

http://www.growthproducts.com/pages/arb ... product=71

Barb

Cowtown Palm Society · Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:43 pm

Hi Barb,

Looks to be same specs as Carl Pool, 12-4-12 with the all important micronutrients, especially magnesium and manganese. Should be great! Good luck!

Duncan

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:15 pm

Thanks Duncan that's reassuring.

What do you think of the humic acid in it?
it's supposed to be beneficial to organisms in the soil.

But few organisms in an indoor pot.

Except my fungus gnats.

It'll be interesting to see how long the shipment from NY takes...they laughed (kindly) when I said where it was going.

Barb

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:02 pm

Glad to hear your getting a real palm fertilizer Barb! Trust me you will not be disappointed! I would have ordered a 50 lb bag if I were you. It would have cost you the same I'm sure.

Bill

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:26 pm

Geez, I should just move to the east coast, where all the shipments originate

I forgot to mention my fertilizer is liquid, not granular.

With our temperatures crashing tomorrow, it'll arrive as a block of ice with a handle

Seriously though, I'm glad to finally get a REAL palm fertilizer.
Have been farting around mixing stuff for years, and keeping my fingers crossed.

Thanks!
Barb

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:35 pm

Is the liquid fertilizer the same ingredients as the granule? I bet it works faster, I might have to look into this one.

Bill

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:45 pm

Bill,
That "growthproducts" link is for the liquid fertilizer.
I don't think they have that in granular form (or the lady at the order desk would have asked, I think).
The NPK +micros was for the liquid.

They emailed that it should be here by end next week.
High time, since some of the bigger palms are getting a few spots.

Since my palms are indoors and warm and getting regular watering, I'll do very light fertilizer next week rather than waiting until March. Didn't fertilize much this summer.

Barb

turtile · Post by **turtile** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:56 pm

I bought a 50lb bag of Carl Pool for $35 but the shipping was the same! 4lbs is no where near enough if you have a good number of palms.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:08 pm

Where did you find it for 35?

turtile · Post by **turtile** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:38 pm

hardyjim wrote:Where did you find it for 35?

http://www.growersupply.com/capopafo12.html

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:37 am

Thanks Turtile!

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:01 am

That's a good deal. I'll be picking a 50 lb bag up when I'm down south next time.

Bill

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