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Yucca ID

Post by lucky1 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:30 am

Remember that positive ID wasn't possible for mine?
Because of its thin trunk "known ID yuccas don't do that".

Found some interesting pics on the internet, but first 2 pics of my plant again.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/4120309366/" title="DSC03098 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2544/4120 ... 18dd_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="DSC03098"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/8331509302/" title="042 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8352/8331 ... 426d_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="042"></a>

So here's the internet photos I found: :hello1:

Y.glauca from Amazon.com: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/8336083761/" title="yuccaglaucapicfromamazaon by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8336 ... a1c19e.jpg" width="400" height="400" alt="yuccaglaucapicfromamazaon"></a>

and this one y.elata from a UK garden:

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/8337162342/" title="rhsgardenswisleyuk by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8078/8337 ... 80a7_o.jpg" width="110" height="200" alt="rhsgardenswisleyuk"></a>

They both have a skinny short trunk before a rosette of leaves begins!!!!! :headbang:
So, are we closer to ID of mine? :lol:

And...look what else I found from Amazon.com
This has gotta be THE MOST BEAUTIFUL yucca photo EVER.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/8336083289/" title="yuccaelatapicfromamazon by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8355/8336 ... 21850f.jpg" width="400" height="400" alt="yuccaelatapicfromamazon"></a>

That's a knockout! :D

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Post by TimMAz6 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:05 am

Hi Barb,

great photos.........but I've noticed Ebay and Amazon photos are usually taken from other web sites and are wrong ID's too. I've seen Yucca filamentosa offered and they show a photo of Yucca aloifolia! :lol:

The leaf filaments strongly correlate your Yucca to elata. It's much rare-er (is that a word?) to see glauca with filaments. The bloom between glauca and elata are totally different. So get yours to bloom! :D

A few photos off the web.

Yucca glauca blooms don't have branches (or not many or very short in length).
<img src=http://spuds.agron.ksu.edu/Yuccaglauca.jpg>

Yucca elata blooms are huge and they have branches:
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Re: Yucca ID

Post by DesertZone » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:38 am

lucky1 wrote: And...look what else I found from Amazon.com
This has gotta be THE MOST BEAUTIFUL yucca photo EVER.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/8336083289/" title="yuccaelatapicfromamazon by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8355/8336 ... 21850f.jpg" width="400" height="400" alt="yuccaelatapicfromamazon"></a>

That's a knockout! :D

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Yucca rostrata
Just think, that could be what your yuccas will look like. :D
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Post by lucky1 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:04 pm

Ebay and Amazon photos are usually taken from other web sites and are wrong ID's too. I've seen Yucca filamentosa offered and they show a photo of Yucca aloifolia!
Darn it all anyway!
But it was sooooo good to find pics of short little stems below the rosette of leaves, like mine has.

Thanks for going to the trouble of digging out the pics of Glauca and Elata blooming, Aaron.

I still remember (was it Paul?) saying "yuccas have sex with everyone", so variation is commonplace. :wink:
But I see now about the branching/non-branching of flowers.

If the snow melts tomorrow, I'm planting that bugger... :wink:

Which is hardier: elata? glauca?

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Post by DesertZone » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:06 pm

lucky1 wrote: But it was sooooo good to find pics of short little stems below the rosette of leaves, like mine has.

Thanks for going to the trouble of digging out the pics of Glauca and Elata blooming, Aaron.

I still remember (was it Paul?) saying "yuccas have sex with everyone", so variation is commonplace. :wink:
But I see now about the branching/non-branching of flowers.


Which is hardier: elata? glauca?

Barb
That awesome yucca in the pic is a rostrata

It was Tim that posted the other pics.

Yuccas don't hybrid that often in the wild.

And glauca is hardier. :wink:
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Post by TimMAz6 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:40 pm

Hi Barb,

please wait to plant that Yucca until March.....if you plant it now you know you'll get an arctic cold blast to -10F and that Yucca is use to warmer temps. :wink:

Yuccas are tough......it would still probably survive that blast but lets be conservative. :D
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Post by marceli » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:01 am

Barb, don't plant it now. Wait at least 2 months. I personally don't plant yuccas and other hardy tropicals until May.
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Post by lucky1 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:53 am

That stunning photo is a rostrata? :shock: :shock:
And you folks want me to leave my rostratas unprotected!
No way...I want them to get to THAT stage.
It's on my bucket list. :lol:

Yes I'll wait until March to plant the unknown guy...thanks!

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Post by TimMAz6 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:44 am

Hi Barb,

there's a good chance your Y. rostrata bloom will look different.......my gut tells me that good looking bloom form has a few rigida genes in it? I've seen rostratas which don't look as nice as that one. Here's a Yucca rostrata in bloom near my brothers house in Fairfax, Virginia (just outside of the DC area).

<img src=http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/ ... G_2951.jpg>

How about that rostrata Barb! :shock: Who needs hardy palms when you can have a zone 6 Yucca rostrata!!

Here's an updated photo from this summer.

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Post by lucky1 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:52 am

that good looking bloom form has a few rigida genes in it
Yuccas are so damn confusing.
The only reason I wanted ID was an idea of minimum temp tolerance.
If they weren't so promiscuous :lol: ID'ing would be easier.
Yucca rostrata in bloom near my brothers house in Fairfax, Virginia
Oh yes, I remember that photo from a previous post. :D
I think you said the evergreen beside it is gone now?
Good thing too.
Who needs hardy palms when you can have a zone 6 Yucca rostrata!
Determined now to do both. :wink:

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Post by TimMAz6 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:56 am

the difficulties with a super tall rostrata will be hybridizing those flowers which are 15 feet above the ground! :lol:
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Post by lucky1 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:27 am

flowers which are 15 feet above the ground!
Getting ahead of ourselves are we? :wink:
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Post by DesertZone » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:33 am

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Barb,

there's a good chance your Y. rostrata bloom will look different.......
Tim, I have never seen one in person with a tall bloom like that.

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Post by lucky1 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:59 pm

Aaron,
Almost looks like the 3rd pic I posted...any guess as to age?
(the yucca...not me). :lol:

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Post by DesertZone » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:16 pm

lucky1 wrote:Aaron,
Almost looks like the 3rd pic I posted...any guess as to age?
(the yucca...not me). :lol:

Barb
10 years? :D
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Post by DesertZone » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:35 pm

Here is a couple more rostrata almost in bloom, one very much like the pic from Tim. The one to the left of the tall one could be rigda
They also had some Y. thompsoniana on the far right, but may not be in this pic.

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Post by TimMAz6 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:06 pm

Hi Aaron,

great photos. You got me thinking............perhaps Y. rostrata is an intermediate form between Y. rigida and Y. thompsoniana? I always see rigida having blooms starting within the leaves or just beyond and Y thompsoniana with a nice tall bloom stem prior to the flowers. Y. rostrata seems intermediate between the two.

I have a DNA study from Clary.....I wonder if Y. rigida is in that study........I'll have to pull that book out! I remember Y. brevifolia being closely related to Y. rostrata in the DNA study.
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:43 am

I remember Y. brevifolia being closely related to Y. rostrata in the DNA study
That's exciting, Tim.

Aaron, eye candy. Are those in Vegas?
And look at that Saguaro! :D :D

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Post by DesertZone » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:35 am

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Aaron,

great photos. You got me thinking............perhaps Y. rostrata is an intermediate form between Y. rigida and Y. thompsoniana? I always see rigida having blooms starting within the leaves or just beyond and Y thompsoniana with a nice tall bloom stem prior to the flowers. Y. rostrata seems intermediate between the two.

I have a DNA study from Clary.....I wonder if Y. rigida is in that study........I'll have to pull that book out! I remember Y. brevifolia being closely related to Y. rostrata in the DNA study.
I bet you are right, I think all three were known as forms of rostrata.

It would be neat if a person could cross breed a brevifolia with a rostrata. :D
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Post by DesertZone » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:37 am

lucky1 wrote: Aaron, eye candy. Are those in Vegas?
And look at that Saguaro! :D :D

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No they are just up the road from my property in AZ. :D
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:58 am

just up the road from my property in AZ
Heaven!

Are you heading down there again for a winter vacation? :D
Still looking at some of those other properties?
remember last year's picture? whether we'd buy it? that was fun!

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Post by DesertZone » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:12 am

lucky1 wrote:
just up the road from my property in AZ
Heaven!

Are you heading down there again for a winter vacation? :D
Still looking at some of those other properties?
remember last year's picture? whether we'd buy it? that was fun!

Barb
Not this winter, but late spring early summer. :) I think July/Aug is the best time for me to be there, because it is the rainy season and all the plants have flowers and there is many, many animals out.
Winter is nice down there, but but all the desert plants are dormant. :|

Every where I go I'm looking at properties. I can't help myself. I like properties that are cheap, but with a little work could be made into something. :wink:
I remember. :lol:
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:13 pm

Winter is nice down there, but but all the desert plants are dormant
But all the desert plants' seeds haven't scattered yet... :D
Every where I go I'm looking at properties.
I do that too...in my mind I'm always moving somewhere :lol: :lol:

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Post by igor.glukhovtsev » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:36 am

The guy from the Ukrainian forum is wondering what kind of yucca is this beautiful blue colour specimen:


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Post by seedscanada » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:20 am

Hi there Igor!
That is probably a Yucca pallida.

At first I was tempted to say Yucca rigida, but its edges have some filaments. The filaments should make it pallida.
If it were that colour and had a more thompsoniana-like edge serration it would be rigida (which often can show a pale yellowing on those serrations).

I say pallida.

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Post by igor.glukhovtsev » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:34 am

Adam, thanks for your guessing... This is what I thought first once I was seeing the roots and the coloration. But the guy says it forms the trunk. How come it's possible if the pallida. Perhaps "the trunk story" is just a seller's trick - everyone dreams about a tree yucca plant. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by DesertZone » Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:11 pm

WOW, I like the blue color, but I don't know what kind of yucca it is for sure? I could not say it is a pallida, because it has filiferas on the leaf edge and pallida don't. Very cool thanks for sharing. :D
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Post by TimMAz6 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Nice Yucca........it's hard to ID just by photos................my first guess would be a Yucca gloriosa/recurvifolia form. Do they a photo of the 'mother' plant? There are so many forms of Y. gloriosa/recurvifolia it's incredible.

I have a narrow leaf Y. gloriosa too......it's not the same but close.......mine does not have filaments on the leaf margin.

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Post by igor.glukhovtsev » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:36 pm

Tim & Aaron, thank you very much for your comments! Since the guy insists on 2-3 m trunk which a mature plant has, it most likely gloriosa/recurvifolia complex form. I ask for a mature plant pic. Lets see if it will be possible to get it.
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Post by igor.glukhovtsev » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:21 am

Guys, I've got a clue regarding this yucca. Many years ago (1940-1960) a director of the botanical garden in Tashkent (Uzbekistan), Dr. Rusanov, has been making hybridization of many species of yucca. Most of his hybrids have been lost but some of them are still could be found in Crimea (Nikitskiy botanical garden) or the Kuban region (Sochi and etc). This particular plant might be an offset of the mother plant from the Crimean botanical garden....
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Post by limoncik » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:05 am

Please yucca ID
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Post by seedscanada » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:23 am

Limon, those look just like my Yucca pallida. Not like the plants Igor showed that are kind of a guess. Or a mix.
Yours are pallida.
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Post by limoncik » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:31 am

I think that this Yucca rigida. Yucca pallida too rare for our places. My yucca bigger ones I've Yucca pallida seen on the photo. What other yucca, photos that I just posted?

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Post by DesertZone » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:40 am

Rigida, or a hybrid of something. :?
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Post by seedscanada » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:00 pm

My Yucca rigida had ruler straight leaves, not wavy like those pictured. My Yucca schottii DOES have these wavy type leaves. A possibility?
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Post by DesertZone » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:18 pm

seedscanada wrote: My Yucca schottii DOES have these wavy type leaves. A possibility?
That could be a good guess. Does look like schottii. :D
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Post by igor.glukhovtsev » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:35 pm

I asked Sasha if his yucca leaves have serates on the edge. He said they have....
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Post by igor.glukhovtsev » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:17 am

Any idea on this Yucca ID?

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Post by marceli » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:54 am

Pruned Y. filifera?
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Post by DesertZone » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:31 am

marceli wrote:Pruned Y. filifera?
I think the same. :|
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