The Lowest Winter's 2013-2014 Temperature so far...

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Post by bgodwin1987 » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:37 pm

-3F here tonight sucks :( I hope my plants live.


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Post by sidpook » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:35 am

that's insane....ugh....and we have been on the roller coaster too now. 60 F this morning and supposed to be down to 8 F tonight....All the snow we got melted away....insane. At least after this short lived cold snap the annual January thaw is on the way by the end of the week....sone light at the end of the short , dark tunnel :(
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Post by canadianplant » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:58 am

Lowest temp so far here at the airport was-39. The yard was-30. Coldest Dec in 30 years
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Post by sidpook » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:44 am

canadianplant wrote:Lowest temp so far here at the airport was-39. The yard was-30. Coldest Dec in 30 years
I'd friggin' shoot myself!
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Post by lucky1 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:41 am

Yup, it's almost over for you folks in the midwest and east.

Man that's cold, Jesse! :lickice:
Ouch.

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Post by igor.glukhovtsev » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:18 am

Looks like Jimmy and Scott are in trouble there! Take care guys!!!
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Post by sidpook » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:24 pm

igor.glukhovtsev wrote:Looks like Jimmy and Scott are in trouble there! Take care guys!!!
good luck everyone....only 53 days till March! woo hoo!
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Post by Paul Ont » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:53 am

We hit -21.5 here in downtown Toronto last night (-6.7F, zone 6a, it is a zone 6a). The airport hit -24C or -11.2f, a zone 5b temp (it is a zone 5b!)

Coldest thus far. Kingston has been lower than both, in the zone 5a range.

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Post by teebee » Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:41 am

We hit -25c last night as well. But the snow is certainly insulating all of my boxes the thermocubes weren't cycling all that much (a good thing)

I had to shovel a tiny bit this morning was outside for only 5 minutes and my finger tips are very sore were starting to freeze. With windchill it was -42C this AM (I guess at -40 I don't need the C or F anymore its just cold...)

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Post by lucky1 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:09 am

Paul makes a good point.
All the "brutal" cold is mostly true to our zones.

Makes me realize how mild previous Canadian winters have really been. :|

Warm-up's coming, albeit slowly, with 5 big Lows hitting Vancouver.
Tons of rain coming for them.

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Post by sidpook » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:25 am

our low was 4 F last night with wind chills of - 10 F...problem is that our snow all melted int eh 63 degree rainy day on Monday...Ugh! :( Supposed to go back to normal into 40s and 50s by Friday, thank god.
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:30 am

Oh man, Michael, that's awful.

We may remember this year as a Death Winter.
Hope everyone's plants are OK.

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Post by sidpook » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:13 am

lucky1 wrote:Oh man, Michael, that's awful.

We may remember this year as a Death Winter.
Hope everyone's plants are OK.

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never been this cold here in my lifetime, thank god its just for a day, ugh
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Post by DesertZone » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:10 pm

I almost feel guilty...I'm above freezing right now. :?
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Post by chadec » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:59 pm

We bottomed at 4F this morning. Thankfully we did make it to 22F for some much needed relief. :D

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Post by sidpook » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:57 am

chadec wrote:We bottomed at 4F this morning. Thankfully we did make it to 22F for some much needed relief. :D
crazy huh, we're supposed to go to 23 F here today...Woohoo!!
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Post by Beny » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:26 am

Not as cold like the Midwest here :lol: ....but thing are looking good for the weekend and next week.

http://www.accuweather.com/fr/ca/montre ... ther/56186

Looks like the snow will melt a bit this weekend till tuesday :D ..

Temperature are in F. ....Can t wait to see these number in Celcius :lol:

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Post by lucky1 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:12 am

Here's your month in C, Beny. :lol:

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/montre ... r=1/1/2014

Enjoy the reprieve, folks.

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Post by cuja1 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:07 pm

Looks like we got down to -13 F here. My southern mags are not too happy. BBB looks the worst. EB looks a little better.
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Post by marceli » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:30 am

Well, good times are fading away. Winter is coming this way. In 2 weeks I'm supposed to be frozen and snow covered. Autumn is about to be over :?
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Post by Beny » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:25 am

Yeah Marcelli,
You were well above the normal so far this winter like the rest of the Europe, even Moscow was warmer then us this winter :shock: .....But things are going warmer here in North America, when thats happen, you re cooling down. And when your above the normal in Europe, the N.America is below. Thats the jetstream patern.
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Post by marceli » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:46 pm

Damn, another hurricane today. I'm hoping this time my winter protection won't be damaged! :|
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:51 pm

another hurricane today.
Get the tape ready for the plastic. :wink:

Are strong winds unusual for you in winter, marceli?

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Post by sidpook » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:25 pm

Ucovered the bananas today, the four foot stalks are frozen solid!!!!! I think they are toast! UGH!!!!! :cry:
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:21 pm

You'll cut those stalks Mike, and they'll come up from the roots.
Stronger than before, and more pups. :D
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Post by marceli » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:15 pm

lucky1 wrote: Are strong winds unusual for you in winter, marceli?

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Yes, this is unusual along with these temperatures. The good thing is that Spring is getting closer :wink:
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Post by sidpook » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:58 am

lucky1 wrote:You'll cut those stalks Mike, and they'll come up from the roots.
Stronger than before, and more pups. :D
Thanks Barb! It is supposed to be in the 60s here this weekend,....Crazy!!!!! :shock:
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Post by Paul Ont » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:31 am

Just wondering who here has actually had a temp this winter BELOW their zonal rating?
Toronto- z 6a, z. 6a low.
Kingston- z4b/5a, z. 5a low.

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Post by bananieru » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:18 am

probably was done before, but can you please explain the plant hardiness zones?
The Canadian index is based on 7 climate variables, not just minimum temperature
Markham is in a 5b zone. According to the US zoning the minimum temperature for us 5b is
&#8722;26.1 °C (&#8722;15 °F) to &#8722;23.3 °C (&#8722;10 °F)

Looking at historical data in TWN, the lowest temperature for Markham was -35.2C, recorded Jan 16 1994.

A little confusing,

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Post by cuja1 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:58 pm

Paul Ont wrote:Just wondering who here has actually had a temp this winter BELOW their zonal rating?
Toronto- z 6a, z. 6a low.
Kingston- z4b/5a, z. 5a low.
It depends on which side of Springfield you're in. We had a 5b winter. Half of Springfield is 5b and half is 6a. Nevertheless it was -13f here so it got pretty deep into the 5b. I saw St. Louis MO got to -13F as well and they are rated as a 6b.
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Post by marceli » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:14 am

Winter is arrived but don't know if it last long. It's about 5inch. of snow but it's pretty warm: -2.5C/27F in the morning and +1C/34F now. Unfortunately it's raining a little. I hate that kind of weather :(
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:29 am

So mild, marceli, that's not winter :lol:
Sure makes the snow heavy though.
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Post by Paul Ont » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:56 am

The zone rating (USDA, I don't use the Canadian map, it just causes people to underestimate how cold they get) is based on the average extreme minimum temperature that you are likely to experience each year. So, for markham the average winter will hit -26C or whatever. However, it's possible that you'd have subsequent winters of -32C, -24C, -22C, -18C, -22C or whatever, and have them average out to -26C giving the zone 5b rating. Of course the zone rating should be based on the longest available data set for your area.

Does that make sense?

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Post by bananieru » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:07 pm

Thank you Paul,

So is there a place where we can check the usda zone for our area, or we have to calculate it ourselves?
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Post by 905palms » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:22 pm

bananieru wrote:Thank you Paul,

So is there a place where we can check the usda zone for our area, or we have to calculate it ourselves?
Yeah, check this out, USDA for Ontario... This seems to include a detailed map, unlike the Canadian sites I've come across which seem vague at best.

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Post by Paul Ont » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:30 pm

I do like that map! Methinks it is a little generous in some areas (extent of zone 5 along the shore of lake ontario and the st. lawerence river; only the island airport in Toronto gives a 6b rating, Pearson is a 5b). Best option available though! Thanks for the link.

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Post by marceli » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:20 am

Lowest temp so far is -6C/but local forecast says in two weeks it's supposed to be warm again. We'll see... :)
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Post by bananieru » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:40 pm

Thank you for the map link

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Post by teebee » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:10 am

A new low for me this morning I got to wake up to -26C. According the long range forecast I won't see anything above freezing until first week of February. I'm certainly hope that's true. I hope everything is ok under the protection. Next nice day I will pull the protection and apologize to each plant individually ;)

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Post by teebee » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:49 am

A bit of an update I have a weather station down the block from me that I log data from every 15 minutes and stuff it in a database do I can do all sorts of trending and other analysis with. So I got down to -26C just after 4AM and it held there until just after 8AM so 4 hours I'm sure my plants are plenty angry with me.

If anyone else is a real computer geek I can certainly give you the code to do what I'm doing it's PHP/MySQL based it harvests data from the wunderground API via JSON. The harvesting and logging functions are finished now. I'm just rewriting functions to re-output JSON to be consumed by other stuff like my home automation platform and a query framework I'm working on. Currently my query's are strictly based select statements from the database.

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