First snow

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:47 am

Yuk!

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hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:12 am

Yea,definitely don't want to be thinking about snow in Oct already

andym · Post by **andym** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:21 pm

We have an artic blast due to arrive this weekend. Our weather lore experts reckon on a colder than normal November. I've been running around like a headless chicken digging up tender plants into pots only to realise there ain't nowhere to put them...I've quite literally run out of storage space

I always hate it when snow arrives as temps go a lot lower due to heat reflection back into space. Give me a frost any day.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:14 pm

andym wrote:I always hate it when snow arrives as temps go a lot lower due to heat reflection back into space. Give me a frost any day.

Me too.

bgodwin1987 · Post by **bgodwin1987** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:19 pm

dang, here we don't get snow till dec or jan usually, it did snow in october though one year on Halloween. I haven't even had a freeze here yet, today and yesterday it was in the 80's wacky weather.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:29 pm

In the 80's Bryce?
Trade homes?

Saw a sign today on a tanning shop banner.

"Snow before Hallowe'en? WTF"

(sorry folks, but I laughed all the way home)

Andy, hope your arctic blast is finished.
So...where DID you put your tender plants?

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:33 am

Hi Barb,

keep that white stuff out there! It's been mild here recently........I can't complain.

marceli · Post by **marceli** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:28 am

Snow arrived here in the evening and kept falling until morning. Lots of snow, but luckily temp. is above freezing

andym · Post by **andym** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:52 pm

lucky1 wrote:In the 80's Bryce?
Trade homes?

Saw a sign today on a tanning shop banner.

"Snow before Hallowe'en? WTF"

(sorry folks, but I laughed all the way home)

Andy, hope your arctic blast is finished.
So...where DID you put your tender plants?

Barb

Barb... what does WTF mean

Artic blast was a non starter... just cold wind and a touch of ground frost. Cannas,Dahlias, Nanas were unaffected. A warmer week ahead 10-12C.. positively tropical

Space is very restricted and i have four more plants on the way...three yuccas and one Palm

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:29 pm

four more plants on the way...three yuccas and one Palm

Ooooh, can't wait to see the photos, Andy.

By the way, WTF means What The Fooey

You folks in southern England ALWAYS have tropical weather...compared to the rest of us anyway.
We're so jealous.
London, for example is at 51 N.
I'm at 52 N...and my winter temps are brutal compared to yours.

Barb

marceli · Post by **marceli** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:57 pm

I saw on tv that southern France, which has virtually no winter comparing to us, had huge amounts of snow! I mean really huge

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:32 am

WTF means something different in my area Andy.......I think Barb was being nice and not using a sware word........... What The Fu_k. I think you'll know what letter to fill in. LOL

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:16 am

TimMAz6 wrote:WTF means something different in my area Andy.......I think Barb was being nice and not using a sware word........... What The Fu_k. I think you'll know what letter to fill in. LOL

Oh...thought it meant,why the frown

andym · Post by **andym** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:09 pm

lucky1 wrote:
four more plants on the way...three yuccas and one Palm
Ooooh, can't wait to see the photos, Andy.

By the way, WTF means What The Fooey

You folks in southern England ALWAYS have tropical weather...compared to the rest of us anyway.
We're so jealous.
London, for example is at 51 N.
I'm at 52 N...and my winter temps are brutal compared to yours.

Barb

I got 50% discount on them.. so buy now worry later

I bought a Yucca Baccata, Rupicola,Gloriosa bright edge and Phoenix Theophrasti supposedly hardy to -12C when mature.
CIDP is tender as a Ducks bottom in my area but hardy in London.. 50 miles away

BTW were twins as I'm 52 N but wish the numbers were reversed

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:39 pm

Phoenix theophrasti...wow, that's quite a find.

Get your pruning shears sharpened, Andy, to look after suckers.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/49257/

And the fact that you can grow it--and nearby a CIDP--proves how unfair the "twin 52N" really is.

Barb

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:53 pm

Andy, I think you have a real chance with P. theophrastii in your area (if kept dry, as I'm sure you know

). You should also look into some of the high-altitude Phoenix species!

marceli · Post by **marceli** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:12 am

Who's got the most snow today? I think Igor has. According to the article on Polish website there was a huge snowfall in Almaty - up to 40cm! Check out this movie: http://tvnmeteo.tvn24.pl/informacje/swi ... 1,1,0.html

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:02 am

Right! Marceli, thanks for a such nice link about Almaty's snowfall! I live in the area at the higher altitude and "my" snowfall was even worse. Pictures taken this morning attached:

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:07 am

Wow

That is a lot of snow!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:54 am

nice snow photos Igor!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:26 pm

marceli, thanks for posting that great video link.
Funny seeing that bride and groom trying to walk in it.
Wow, what a whack of snow!

Great photos Igor! Man oh man, that's a lot of snow, good insulation

I hope that 5th pic isn't your GH buried...how does your GH survive snow weight?
And that 6th pic...I absolutely love walled gardens, a wonderful micro climate.
Your palms (under the blue tarp?) look well protected.

Barb

andym · Post by **andym** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:36 pm

Igor.... where's your tropicals?

Love that picture of your greenhouse. I hope not to see that white stuff before January thankyou.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:42 pm

Nice pics, Igor!

Barb, Halifax had its first snowfall around 3 days ago, basically the same amount as in your first picture

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:04 pm

first picture

We had that Oct. 23rd just to drive us crazy.
And it did.

Glad yours held off Cameron.
Sorry to hear about the cold episode.
Hope your stuff is OK.

Barb

marceli · Post by **marceli** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:39 am

Igor, I might be joining you soon! They forecasted snow and below freezing temperatures for at least two weeks

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:29 am

marceli wrote: below freezing temperatures for at least two weeks

No worries, at my place I'm looking forward for below freezing temperatures for at least THREE MONTH. By the way, the coldest temperatures ever registered in my city happened in November (-34,2 C) and in the end of February (-37,4 C). But I'm still optimistic on growing exotic plants here

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:02 am

andym wrote:Igor.... where's your tropicals?

My "tropicals" are under a good the Nature made snow pie - basjo, phormium, fatsia, Winter Jasmine, fuchsia, gunnera, the runner colocasia from Texas, Parthenocissus Henriana - not too many in total... Of course, two Trachys in wheat straw enclosure.

Everything is going to be alright!

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:14 am

Ah, the snow makes or breaks the odds of survival up here!

Igor, I had as much snow as you (about a foot an a half), at low elevation (im at 150M). The winds came off the lake, and bam..... Then we got this warm spell, and rain. Now most of the snow is gone, and my insulation

We went from -5C for a high to 5C.....

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:30 am

[quote="lucky1" I hope that 5th pic isn't your GH buried...how does your GH survive snow weight?
And that 6th pic...I absolutely love walled gardens, a wonderful micro climate.
Your palms (under the blue tarp?) look well protected. Barb[/quote]

Yeah, it is my my GH under 0.5 m snow that is a solid built construction... By the way my yucca variegated gloriosa and recurvifolia varieties overwinter there.
And palms under the blue tarp should be OK this winter too.

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:42 am

canadianplant wrote: Now most of the snow is gone, and my insulation

What I like in our winter most of all - once the snow has fallen down it's never melt away until beginning of March. It's accumulating only from snowfall to snowfall. That's why the snow is a great insulation in my place.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:13 am

Igor - Typically that is what it is like here. Over the last 30 years, winter has gotten 4 weeks shorter (2 weeks earlier spring, and 2 weeks later fall on average). When I was a kid, november was cold, and we always had snow. When I was really young, the first halloween I remember we had tons of snow. As I got older we got less snow that time of year, and when we did it melts. The older I got the later the snow fell, and the more it melted.

Now, if it snows in mid december it tends to stay, but the 3/5 previous winters, we had slush and above freezing temps the week of christmas. On the other hand, there has only been one winter with under a foot of snow, and that was 2 winters ago, when we got less then an inch all winter. Usually by mid January we have at least a foot or more (and when I was a kid, there would be so much snow in hards it would get to my chin!)

I dont care what some people say, the climate is weird up here and more then likely changing. Whether that is a long term change, or a short term cycle, I have no idea.

marceli · Post by **marceli** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:49 am

igor.glukhovtsev wrote: What I like in our winter most of all - once the snow has fallen down it's never melt away until beginning of March. It's accumulating only from snowfall to snowfall. That's why the snow is a great insulation in my place.

This is what I need! Unfortunately last winter we got -30C almost without snow. That's the worst thing: no snow cover for plants.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:52 pm

Brrrrr...... :verycold:

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:22 am

That's the worst thing: no snow cover for plants.

That's for sure!
One winter without snow even damaged my y.filamentosa leaves and I thought they were bulletproof.

Snow is good too for keeping palm protection attached to the ground

in windstorms.

Good to learn your GH can take the weight, Igor.

Barb

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:51 pm

Im agree with canadianplant..samething here near Montreal..the weather is changing...but we still have near 1-2 feets of snow every winter but for 3 months instead of 4.
Good luck Igor, but snow give the best insulation. We had that kind of heavy snow in 2007-2008...at least 3 feets depth everywhere.
Ben

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:38 am

I use the snow to insulate my borderline plants, especially the bamboo, which i bend to the ground. If we have a 'normal' winter it works really well. However, if we have little snow the plants are left exposed and there will be extensive damage.

I should say as well, that if we have a winter like 2011/12 (i.e. a non-winter, which for me is a zone 6 winter) there will be little damage on anything that I grow!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:13 am

if we have little snow the plants are left exposed and there will be extensive damage.

I should say as well, that if we have a winter like 2011/12 (i.e. a non-winter, which for me is a zone 6 winter) there will be little damage on anything that I grow!

Your bamboo is so nice, certainly worth wrapping

Yesterday you folks broke the Canadian record for warmth!
Imagine! In December!

Barb

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:10 am

Some year 2012 first snow statistics; we have got 78 cm of snow since December the 1st while there was 100 cm of snow registered for the winter 2011-2012.

marceli · Post by **marceli** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:18 am

igor.glukhovtsev wrote:Some year 2012 first snow statistics; we have got 78 cm of snow since December the 1st while there was 100 cm of snow registered for the winter 2011-2012.

78... like seventy eight in the beginning of winter?

Nice one!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:14 am

we have got 78 cm of snow since December the 1st while there was 100 cm of snow registered for the winter 2011-2012

Your plants will be snug and warm for sure.
The only good thing...

Barb

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