2011 is another top 10 year by GISS
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2011 is another top 10 year by GISS
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Excellent link Tim.
This sentence hit me:
So much for my wish to have zone 8 winters...
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This sentence hit me:
Somebody said last year that that creates colder ocean temps in the North Pacific, scouring more cold out of Alaska (and Siberia) into BC...record-breaking global average temperature in the next two to three years because solar activity is on the upswing and the next El Niño will increase tropical Pacific temperatures
So much for my wish to have zone 8 winters...
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But then there is this sentence
""It's always dangerous to make predictions about El Niño, but it's safe to say we'll see one in the next three years," Hansen said. "It won't take a very strong El Niño to push temperatures above 2010."
""It's always dangerous to make predictions about El Niño, but it's safe to say we'll see one in the next three years," Hansen said. "It won't take a very strong El Niño to push temperatures above 2010."
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that Joe Bastardi guy is predicting a sharp drop in global temps over the next couple months! Crazy stuff.....hard to believe with temps in our area so warm.
I'm still searching for UAH and RSS to see how 2011 ranked in their system. GISS typically records the warmest temps.
I'm still searching for UAH and RSS to see how 2011 ranked in their system. GISS typically records the warmest temps.
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predicting a sharp drop in global temps
If so, the guy's well named.
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That could jsut be relative to the abnormal highs. Like, if this tred continued, it would be 20C here in march... all march (not saying I wont welcome that ) The drop is probably a trend back to normal temps maybe?TimMAz6 wrote:that Joe Bastardi guy is predicting a sharp drop in global temps over the next couple months! Crazy stuff.....hard to believe with temps in our area so warm.
I'm still searching for UAH and RSS to see how 2011 ranked in their system. GISS typically records the warmest temps.
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Yea,we'll see what March/April are like...
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Here's one of Joe Bastardi's 2012-2013 predictions.....not sure I believe.
http://youtu.be/zr1rAY9lEaI
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He recorded that Sept 2010 and some would believe him that last winter was cold for the entire middle of the continent, north to south.
So his prediction was pretty good a year later.
Hope he's wrong for the rest of it into 2013 and 2014.
Damn...that's the second time I heard that the Pacific Ocean is cooling.
So his prediction was pretty good a year later.
Hope he's wrong for the rest of it into 2013 and 2014.
Damn...that's the second time I heard that the Pacific Ocean is cooling.
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Cold pecific, does not always mean cold/snow:lucky1 wrote:He recorded that Sept 2010 and some would believe him that last winter was cold for the entire middle of the continent, north to south.
So his prediction was pretty good a year later.
Hope he's wrong for the rest of it into 2013 and 2014.
Damn...that's the second time I heard that the Pacific Ocean is cooling.
""We know the planet is absorbing more energy than it is emitting," said GISS director James E. Hansen. "So we are continuing to see a trend toward higher temperatures. Even with the cooling effects of a strong La Niña influence and low solar activity for the past several years, 2011 was one of the 10 warmest years on record."
The difference between 2011 and the warmest year in the GISS record (2010) is 0.22°F (0.12°C). This underscores the emphasis scientists put on the long-term trend of global temperature rise. Because of the large natural variability of climate, scientists do not expect temperatures to rise consistently year after year. However, they do expect a continuing temperature rise over decades."
2011 was a la nina year, with cold pacific waters, and it was still toasty. Cold water is only a part of it. That hansen guy mentions solar activity, which is another major player.
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That Hansen guy is a bit unusual for someone so high up in the chain. Google him and you'll find that he goes to GW protests and gets arrested. Not sure if I believe what he says........he seems too bias. His global temp #'s are the warmest of all agencies too. I like to look at UAH and RSS along with GISS. I still haven't found out what UAH and RSS rank 2011. I wonder if they say 2011 is in the top 10?
UAH has good data too:
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt
RSS has good data too:
http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_t ... _v03_3.txt
vs. GISS:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
UAH has good data too:
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt
RSS has good data too:
http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_t ... _v03_3.txt
vs. GISS:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
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The nitty grittys can be argues of course, but all the numbers still show a warming trend to some degree. I dont think anyone is arguing that now (besides the ares that may be cooling at some season). The argument seems to be how long, fast and how warm in general it will be....
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I agree. Ocean levels in the past got some 10 to 20 feet higher than current levels. I would bet we are headed there again.
Joe Bastardi did predict January's Global temp correct. It did drop like he predicted.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2012/02/uah ... -09-deg-c/
Joe Bastardi did predict January's Global temp correct. It did drop like he predicted.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2012/02/uah ... -09-deg-c/
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and the current brutal cold in Europe will move...somewhere...gulp!a sharp drop in global temps over the next couple months!
Climate shifting...maybe in future, March/April will be the new winter.
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Hi Barb,
I'm sure it will be 'pay back' time come spring......with below normal temps.
I'm sure it will be 'pay back' time come spring......with below normal temps.
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That what I told ya earlier Yesterday morning there was a temperature minus 35,7C registered at the Steppe Crimea and minus 1 C registered at the Novaya Zemlya island close to the North Pole
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Yes you did...was hoping you were wrongThat what I told ya earlier
Stay safe and warm! hope there's enough snow to protect your plants, Igor.
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I do not bother about plants but palms. In fact, these min. temps. are common every winter here. Duration is a problem. I guess is a mental problem rather than phytophysiologal one. Normally we have some days above 0 either in January or February. But this winter is something!
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A few pics of beaches in summer will help with the mental part, Igor
http://www.okanaganvacationguide.com/best-beaches.html
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Thats about what we get here. Warmer Fall temps, but colder than avg. spring weather.TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Barb,
I'm sure it will be 'pay back' time come spring......with below normal temps.
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It's true for Ontario too. Aaron when the apricot tree starts blooming in you place? This tree is a kind of indicator of the Spring to me.
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colder than avg spring weather...yup.
I think this photo was in April 2008.
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I think this photo was in April 2008.
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What is her name? Right, what was her name four years ago?
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I like that pool side photo!
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The caption says it's Kim Goldsmith, no I don't know them.What is her name?
It sure was a funny pic in the newspaper, I recall, as we were all grumbling about how cold April was that year.
edit: and this was my Trachy in April of 2009 (the next year).
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Yup, looks like the months of April might be brutal from now on
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Hey Barb,
what's that white stuff on your palm? I forget the name of that stuff javascript:emoticon how do you do these smile face things??...or is it my Firefox??
what's that white stuff on your palm? I forget the name of that stuff javascript:emoticon how do you do these smile face things??...or is it my Firefox??
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Re: 2011 is another top 10 year by GISS
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Hi Jim,
If I post that on the hardy palm board there will be 200 responses and people will be killing each other. People are too sensitive. I think it's fun and educational to see all points of view. I really don't think ANYONE understands the climate system yet......not even close. I bet we won't understand in our lifetime.
If I post that on the hardy palm board there will be 200 responses and people will be killing each other. People are too sensitive. I think it's fun and educational to see all points of view. I really don't think ANYONE understands the climate system yet......not even close. I bet we won't understand in our lifetime.
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B'sides we're just friendlier here...
and WE don't mind laughing at ourselves.
I've got Firefox, no problem here...at least with THAT
You simply click the emoticon <---- at the left side.
Seems to work for you...
and WE don't mind laughing at ourselves.
Dandruff.what's that white stuff on your palm
I've got Firefox, no problem here...at least with THAT
You simply click the emoticon <---- at the left side.
Seems to work for you...
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TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Jim,
If I post that on the hardy palm board there will be 200 responses and people will be killing each other. People are too sensitive. I think it's fun and educational to see all points of view. I really don't think ANYONE understands the climate system yet......not even close. I bet we won't understand in our lifetime.
I know,I was just messing with you...it's a little uptight over there.
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Regarding those smile face images.....I was dragging them into the message
Look, it works now.....thanks Barb
Look, it works now.....thanks Barb
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Thats why we like here.lucky1 wrote:B'sides we're just friendlier here...
and WE don't mind laughing at ourselves.
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-Aaron-
2012 Global Temps in at UAH........I don't think GISS or RSS have their 2012 temps out yet.
Globally, 2012 was the 9th warmest of the last 34 years, behind 1998, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2010:
1979 through 2012, ranked from warmest to coolest:
1. 1998 0.419
2. 2010 0.394
3. 2005 0.260
4. 2002 0.218
5. 2009 0.218
6. 2007 0.202
7. 2003 0.187
8. 2006 0.186
9. 2012 0.161
10. 2011 0.130
11. 2004 0.108
12. 2001 0.107
13. 1991 0.020
14. 1987 0.013
15. 1995 0.013
16. 1988 0.012
17. 1980 -0.008
18. 2008 -0.009
19. 1990 -0.022
20. 1981 -0.045
21. 1997 -0.049
22. 1999 -0.056
23. 1983 -0.061
24. 2000 -0.061
25. 1996 -0.076
26. 1994 -0.108
27. 1979 -0.170
28. 1989 -0.207
29. 1986 -0.244
30. 1993 -0.245
31. 1982 -0.250
32. 1992 -0.289
33. 1985 -0.309
34. 1984 -0.353
The following comments are from John Christy:
While 2012 was only the ninth warmest year globally, it was the warmest year on record for both the contiguous 48 U.S. states and for the continental U.S., including Alaska. For the U.S., 2012 started with one of the three warmest Januaries in the 34-year record, saw a record-setting March heat wave, and stayed warm enough for the rest of the year to set a record.
Compared to seasonal norms, March 2012 was the warmest month on record in the 48 contiguous U.S. states. Temperatures over the U.S. averaged 2.82 C (almost 5.1° Fahrenheit) warmer than normal in March; the warmest spot on the globe that month was in northern Iowa. The annual average temperature over the conterminous 48 states in 2012 was 0.555 C (about 0.99 degrees F) warmer than seasonal norms.
Compared to seasonal norms, the coolest area on the globe throughout 2012 was central Mongolia, where temperatures averaged about 1.39 C (about 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than seasonal norms. The warmest area was north of central Russia in the Kara Sea, where temperatures averaged 2.53 C (about 4.55 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than seasonal norms for 2012.
Compared to seasonal norms, over the past month the coldest area on the globe was eastern Mongolia, where temperatures were as much as 4.55 C (about 8.19 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than seasonal norms. The “warmest” area was off the coast of the Antarctic near South America, where temperatures averaged 3.79 C (about 6.82 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than seasonal norms for December.
Globally, 2012 was the 9th warmest of the last 34 years, behind 1998, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2010:
1979 through 2012, ranked from warmest to coolest:
1. 1998 0.419
2. 2010 0.394
3. 2005 0.260
4. 2002 0.218
5. 2009 0.218
6. 2007 0.202
7. 2003 0.187
8. 2006 0.186
9. 2012 0.161
10. 2011 0.130
11. 2004 0.108
12. 2001 0.107
13. 1991 0.020
14. 1987 0.013
15. 1995 0.013
16. 1988 0.012
17. 1980 -0.008
18. 2008 -0.009
19. 1990 -0.022
20. 1981 -0.045
21. 1997 -0.049
22. 1999 -0.056
23. 1983 -0.061
24. 2000 -0.061
25. 1996 -0.076
26. 1994 -0.108
27. 1979 -0.170
28. 1989 -0.207
29. 1986 -0.244
30. 1993 -0.245
31. 1982 -0.250
32. 1992 -0.289
33. 1985 -0.309
34. 1984 -0.353
The following comments are from John Christy:
While 2012 was only the ninth warmest year globally, it was the warmest year on record for both the contiguous 48 U.S. states and for the continental U.S., including Alaska. For the U.S., 2012 started with one of the three warmest Januaries in the 34-year record, saw a record-setting March heat wave, and stayed warm enough for the rest of the year to set a record.
Compared to seasonal norms, March 2012 was the warmest month on record in the 48 contiguous U.S. states. Temperatures over the U.S. averaged 2.82 C (almost 5.1° Fahrenheit) warmer than normal in March; the warmest spot on the globe that month was in northern Iowa. The annual average temperature over the conterminous 48 states in 2012 was 0.555 C (about 0.99 degrees F) warmer than seasonal norms.
Compared to seasonal norms, the coolest area on the globe throughout 2012 was central Mongolia, where temperatures averaged about 1.39 C (about 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than seasonal norms. The warmest area was north of central Russia in the Kara Sea, where temperatures averaged 2.53 C (about 4.55 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than seasonal norms for 2012.
Compared to seasonal norms, over the past month the coldest area on the globe was eastern Mongolia, where temperatures were as much as 4.55 C (about 8.19 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than seasonal norms. The “warmest” area was off the coast of the Antarctic near South America, where temperatures averaged 3.79 C (about 6.82 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than seasonal norms for December.
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They should exclude Alaska.including Alaska
What that would do to your numbers!
There's a guy over at WXforum called "Scalphunter" from Alaska...35 below (F)!!!! in November 2012.
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=16997.0
All the USA members of PN would be ordering Cyrtostachys and Coconut seeds...
Barb
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Hi Barb,
I see your 5F right now.............brrrrrr.........keep the cold out west!
I see your 5F right now.............brrrrrr.........keep the cold out west!
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Yup...it's here.
Bloody cold.
Temps dropped like a stone last night.
The dog doesn't even want to go out for a pee.
Barb
EDIT: just saw f/cast that ALASKA is getting really WARM, with rain and flooding expected. SHEESH!
Bloody cold.
Temps dropped like a stone last night.
The dog doesn't even want to go out for a pee.
Nope.keep the cold out west!
Barb
EDIT: just saw f/cast that ALASKA is getting really WARM, with rain and flooding expected. SHEESH!
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it's been so warm here I dragged all my plants outside and watered them........they will be outside for the entire night.........the low is SUPPOSE to be 39F. Should I trust them?????? The other day they said the low was gonna be 29F and I didn't keep the 'hats' on the protection and I didn't turn the lights on for supplemental heat................guess what...........I woke up to 19F..........boy that blew..............I hope the Tetrapanex trunk is OK.
PS, when dogs don't want to go outside you know it's cold!
PS, when dogs don't want to go outside you know it's cold!
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Based on that record, NO.Should I trust them?????? The other day they said the low was gonna be 29F and I didn't keep the 'hats' on the protection and I didn't turn the lights on for supplemental heat................guess what...........I woke up to 19F.
I hope you can find some old blankets to wrap around the Tetrapanex
Barb
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Hi Barb,
I can see your basking in the heat now...............up to 14F.
Sorry but I have to rub it in.
I can see your basking in the heat now...............up to 14F.
Sorry but I have to rub it in.
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