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Extreme cold for the Southern AZ, NM, and West Texas

Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:18 am

13deg below the record low in Bisbee AZ, only 6 miles from Mexico. 10F/-12C for Douglas AZ on the Border 6 deg below the record low. Sunsites/Pearce AZ 1deg below the record low. 0F/-17.7 for Silver City NM. Nothing Warm about this climate. :roll:
And the other day we broke a record low here in Shoshone as well. :x

We will see how the palms look in that area when I get some pics this spring/summer. :wink: If they are all dead I will have some land to sell. :lol:


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Post by lucky1 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:31 am

Oh man, Aaron...Douglas at 6 degrees below record!
By how many degrees was your record at home broken?

a friend spent last winter in Mexico.
Said it was awfully cold.
So a second year now :cry:

Global warming my foot. Mini Ice Age without the snow in the West.
We used to have 3 or 4 feet of snow by now...we've got 3 inches on the ground.
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Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:25 am

lucky1 wrote:Oh man, Aaron...Douglas at 6 degrees below record!
By how many degrees was your record at home broken?

Barb
I don't know now, but it was when my j-tree got hit so hard -13.6F/-25C was late Nov or early Dec.? I think the old record low was like 4f/-15.5C
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Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:35 am

lucky1 wrote:Global warming my foot. Mini Ice Age without the snow in the West.
We used to have 3 or 4 feet of snow by now...we've got 3 inches on the ground.
Barb
Snow here is a sign of warmer weather in the winter. Warm air brings snow here, dry air brings cold temps. And I can tell people this Boise sold their plow equipment about 10 years or more ago because of dry cold weather. Our all time record cold in Idaho came during drought years. Do to cold dry air from the coast.
The biggest threat to saguaros over the past 100 years has been cold weather. Cold weather has killed more saguaros in the past 100 years than anything. :|
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Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:39 am

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Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:50 am

DesertZone wrote:Gov info for the saguaros and cold
http://www.nps.gov/history/history/onli ... /chap5.htm
Sorry that is just one page from the doc I am looking for. I will post it later if I can find the whole doc. If it is still out there. :roll:
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Post by hardyjim » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:37 pm

I am sure the people in Greenland would disagree about GW :shock:


Sorry to hear it's been so cold there,we are just kind of
locked into the cold weather here,nothing to extreme on way are another though.

At this point I would rather see it stay cold and have an early spring....March 1 sounds about right!
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:41 pm

It'd be good to see the rest of that document, as others here are growing cactus in the cold.

Page 1 heading was The Role of Freezing Weather in a Warm-Desert Plant Population.
They could've labelled that Canada! :lol:
Warm air brings snow here, dry air brings cold temps
Here too.
But with all the rain storms that recently hit Washington Oregon and N.California, you think you'd get SOME over the mountains into your area.
We interior BC folks have the same problem, not enough moisture heads our way over the mountains.
And those bloody mountains are growing :evil:

We now get this:
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Versus what we used to:
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have an early spring....March 1 sounds about right!
Agreed; I've had enough already.

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Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:03 pm

DesertZone wrote: The biggest threat to saguaros over the past 100 years has been cold weather. Cold weather has killed more saguaros in the past 100 years than anything. :|
I should refrain myself from the above statement until I can find where I read it.
I found some of the doc, but cant seem to find the part of the doc that shows pics of the saguaros from the late 1800's how numerous they were and later pics of the same areas in the 1900's that show damage after freezes. I thought it also showed how there is not as many large saguaros in the present because a curent freezes, but until I find the pics I cant prove this. :lol:

http://www.nps.gov/history/history/onli ... chap6c.htm
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Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:26 pm

hardyjim wrote:I am sure the people in Greenland would disagree about GW :shock:


Sorry to hear it's been so cold there,we are just kind of
locked into the cold weather here,nothing to extreme on way are another though.

At this point I would rather see it stay cold and have an early spring....March 1 sounds about right!
I hope not to offend anyone with my thoughts on global warming. I don't totaly disagree with global warming I just think it is not as easy as blaming man for everthing. Back in the 70's I remember reading that the world was cooling and we were headed for an ice-age, and I can't help to think about the saguaro freeze doc, becuase it was written in the 70's. And yes I remember that carbon was to blame back then for blocking out the sun's rays and making the earth cool. :|
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:46 pm

Agree wholeheartedly with your comments, Aaron.

Except the part about offending anyone...PC has gone a little too far, methinks.
Time to say what we think.
:wink:

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Post by DesertZone » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:33 pm

lucky1 wrote:Agree wholeheartedly with your comments, Aaron.


Barb
Thanks Barb. :D
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Post by Paul Ont » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:00 am

You're free to express yourself 100%! I'm free to disagree! I do try to word things carefully, but, I would not call myself PC. I think you all know my opinion on this, see below:

The popularity of global cooling came from two magazine articles one in Time and one is Newsweek. Both of these articles are from the mid-1970's. The idea never gained popularity, and was only really based on a slight cooling trend that occurred from 1940 to 1970. This idea has since been dismissed by 99.9% of all scientists, and 99.99% of those not supported financially by large carbon producers... It really makes me annoyed that these conservative elites are getting the message of the few out there when there is no debate in the scientific community. Take this as personal opinion.

Not the greatest source, but Wikipedia does tend to explain things pretty well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Globa ... ctions.png


Controversy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_consensus -this one shows that my 99% is not accurate, at least within the USA (may be correct worldwide) which has 97% support.

Aaron- FYI no germination on those O. chlororitca seeds yet. Thanks again!

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Post by TerdalFarm » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:20 am

No big surprise--I'm with Paul on this one.
While we're sharing links, here is one I trust as it is written by climate scientists and they give the raw data so anyone can check them: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... tart-here/

Anyway, I can't complain about the weather here lately as it has been unnaturally warm and dry. I credit La Nina for the nice weather this season, although I feel so sorry for the folks in Queensland.

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Post by DesertZone » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:40 am

Paul Ont wrote: Aaron- FYI no germination on those O. chlororitca seeds yet. Thanks again!
Yea, mine have no germination either. Could have been that I pulled them of the cactus to early? We can can try again next fall. :wink:
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Post by DesertZone » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:03 am

what ever happened to the ozone layer? And the how cold/warm is it supposed to be? They know weather in the past can change very fast. And are we not still not coming out of an ice age?

Belive it or not I would have no problem passing a bill that would control gw if they could say if we cut this amount carbon from the air we will see this amount of cooling or something even close to that, no they said even if we stop all the man-made carbon we would still see a warming trend. I think they said it might slow it down for 50 years or so, and they still not sure.

As the laws stand now, any person out there that want a windmill/solar can have one. If they want electric car they can have one. Don't buy carbon products if you don't want them. With 97 percent support this should be an easy task, but why push it on others. I have a compost pile, I put my house so it get passive solar, I ve been saving for a windmill, when I build in Az it will be earth bag, my landscape is made almost all of recycled materiel, and I use only drought plantings in my garden. I write a paper every year to teach people how to save water in the city. I like the people that do, not the ones that feel guilty and force others do.
Saving the planet starts at home not at your nieghbors. :D
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Post by TerdalFarm » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:45 am

Aaron,
I am not sure if you are asking Paul or I. Paul, feel free to jump in.

Ozone layer: here is a summary (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... l-warming/). In short, the ozone layer is recovering as a result of the Montreal accord, despite that agreement failing to account for how quickly developing countries (Brazil, China, India, Indonesia etc.) would develop. Nonetheless, it proved the concept that international treaties could make a meaningful difference.

How cold/warm is it supposed to be: do you mean how warm will it be if we do nothing? Or what the climate "should" be?
I'll assume the latter. Well, that is a philosophical question, or a religious one. I can't help you there. I can say that human civilization has developed within a fairly narrow range of temperatures. We grow certain crops in certain places. Can we change? Of course. But doing so will cause disruption. That will cost much more than the alternative--the old "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" cliche is often true. Ditto with rising sea levels. Can we move the folks in Mauritius to Arizona? Of course! but it won't be cheap.

Time lag between reducing carbon production and lessening of warming: yes, that just sucks. It like telling a long-time smoker that if they stop smoking today, their cancer risk will drop to zero by sundown. Wrong! Stopping smoking now pays dividends many years in the future. So why not just continue smoking? Instant results are all that matter.
So, we are back to philosophical/religious arguments. Do we have a responsibility to future generations?

Personal responsibility: good for you. I also do not like other people telling me what to do. I have a creek in my back yard. If I value clean waters, I will keep pollution out of it. If I don't personally care about that issue, I can dump toxic waste in it. Right? Just don't try to make me feel guilty when your kid eats a fish downstream and gets sick.

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Post by hardyjim » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:53 am

Not offended here...GW always stirs some debate and it should.

My comment was only to point out the relative
nature of peoples opinions,even last winter we kept hearing how it
was one of the warmest years on record while we froze out asses of here :shock:

My point was only that after a few years of melting ice and this dang Greenland block,
the people in the middle to eastern U.S. are seeing some mighty cold winters....
at least compared to those GW warmed winters of the years prior to 2007 :wink: ....
while Greenland is having record warmth in winter.

One thing I do appreciate about the last few colder winters is that our springs are
much more stable as most of the cold has been let out when it should be...in winter!
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Post by TerdalFarm » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:37 am

Heated debate keeps us warm in winter! :lol:

Back a bit to the original topic, natural weather variability won't go away. I figure I'll get fewer extremely cold winter weather, but it won't go away.
Here are the records for this date at the Tulsa airport:
Record (KTUL) 78 °F / 26 °C (2009) -2 °F / -19 °C (1919)

So, will I beat 78 oF for this date? In a decade or so, probably yes. Will I get lower than -2 oF? Yup, eventually.
For my palms, this means that I have to be ready to protect for -2 oF or worse in any given year. It would not be much consolation for my Butia to tell it on a -2 oF morning, "this doesn't happen often" -- it would still be dead.

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Post by DesertZone » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:51 am

TerdalFarm wrote:Aaron,
I am not sure if you are asking Paul or I. Paul, feel free to jump in.

How cold/warm is it supposed to be: do you mean how warm will it be if we do nothing? Or what the climate "should" be?
I'll assume the latter.

Do we have a responsibility to future generations?

I can dump toxic waste in it. Right? Just don't try to make me feel guilty when your kid eats a fish downstream and gets sick.
Asking just in general. :lol:

Yes... it was the latter, and it is full of opinion, becuase we will never know, unless we were never here on earth.

Of cource we have a responsibility for future generations, thats why I'm speaking my mind. I would hate to see the freedom and prosperity be flushed down the drain for more laws and regulations. Part of the reason we have prosperity is becuase of our freedom. Without it we have poverty and with poverity comes pollution, starvation, loss of hope.

No... a person can't just dump toxic wast in a creek, you are right! And there is laws out there that make sence and every one should have a responsibility to follow. But our gov has a repsonsibility to keep things prospertng and keep our freedom.
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Post by TerdalFarm » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:57 am

Aaron, that's what makes the debate--and democracy--fun.
I also hate gov't regulations. Can I sell my eggs as organic? No, the paperwork and inspections are such a hassle. I refuse to comply. That costs me a bunch of money but I can't accept some bureaucrat telling me how to care for my hens.

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Post by DesertZone » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:58 am

I'm just saying be careful, laws are easy to pass, but hard to take away. Think about it, you cant even build a swing-set without a permit. And there is also people pushing for an all native plant law in many states, a law I was pushing for in the past becuase I thought it right for the eviroment. But even if it is, I don't think it may be right for the people, and I think we still count. :wink:

Thats all I have to say, thanks....I better talk about plants. :lol:
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Post by lucky1 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:35 pm

Expressing just this layman's utter disappointment that warming doesn't occur to our advantage (as palm growers).
Has some of us wishing we were around "back in the day" when palm fossils were living plants above the 49th parallel. :hmph:

One day a scientist will come up with one good thing about climate change that we can cling to.
Initially it was thought that increased CO2 might favour plants life, for instance it's been surmised that Wollemia nobilis in its long history flourished widely at a time when CO2 levels were much higher than now.
Dr. Susan B. Murch of UBC Okanagan was working on that years ago by studying W.nobilis.
Haven't seen anything published; wouldn't know where to look come to think of it.

I'm sick of the gloom and doom...
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Post by lucky1 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:57 pm

I meant the gloom and doom generally in the media.
I didn't mean here on Palms North!

Fire away ... :toothy7:

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Post by DesertZone » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:14 pm

lucky1 wrote: Initially it was thought that increased CO2 might favour plants life, for instance it's been surmised that Wollemia nobilis in its long history flourished widely at a time when CO2 levels were much higher than now.

I'm sick of the gloom and doom...
Barb
At my master garden class they talk about the higher level of carbon, and the relationship with plants. And yes there is science to show that the higher level do in fact help plant growth. :D
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Post by DesertZone » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:26 pm

Ok...back to the good stuff. Yesterday it got down to 10F/-12C in Sunsites/Pearce the town where my property is and my saguaros are. My zone this year is now a zone 8 and that is cold. I thought yesterdays temp was warmer, but now showing 10F/12C.
I cant wait to see how everything is after this winter.

Last year they had like a low of 14F or 12F and I seen no signs a damage other than some robustas and date palms pushing new leaves, but nothing dead. :?

I'm sure it was even colder at my nieghbors, they always call and we talk about the weather. :lol:
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Post by lucky1 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:54 pm

But I think the higher carbon level benefit--small as that may be--is offset by water deficits in areas that never had droughts such as those experienced the last few years. Hate to see those shallow mountain lakes dry up, ringed with white. Alkaline soil generally has much much lower levels of bacteria.

We know people who spend ~6 months in Scottsdale each winter; doubt they're enjoying these winters.

Maybe your neighbors can take some photos of your place and email them so you can see how everything's doing :)

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Post by DesertZone » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:13 am

lucky1 wrote:But I think the higher carbon level benefit--small as that may be--is offset by water deficits in areas that never had droughts such as those experienced the last few years. Hate to see those shallow mountain lakes dry up, ringed with white. Alkaline soil generally has much much lower levels of bacteria.

We know people who spend ~6 months in Scottsdale each winter; doubt they're enjoying these winters.

Maybe your neighbors can take some photos of your place and email them so you can see how everything's doing :)

Barb
The carbon benefit was sigificant, more fertilizers off crops. How much does it help? Cant say without looking through my notes and that big MG book. I'm lazy. :lol:

Probably enjoyed the winter until this cold spell. :wink:

I wish they had the internet I would talk every day to them and send them pics. Also I don't know if I want them walking around my place, I planted so many small cactus I'm afraid of them stepping on them. :lol:
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:16 am

I'll look around to see if Dr. Murch has published any research results from the Wollemi pine vis a vis CO2.
It absolutely killed me :evil: to know she had five or six W.nobilis in her lab 10 miles from my place while my name was still on the "waiting list" for one of those trees. :lol: :lol:
I'm afraid of them stepping on them
good point.

No internet there? Glad you're not moving there yet! :clock:
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Post by DesertZone » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:22 am

lucky1 wrote:
No internet there? Glad you're not moving there yet! :clock:
Barb
They have a cell phone and solar, but not sure if you can get internet there. I know they have it in town, but out where I'm at...?
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Post by hardyjim » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:13 pm

If you can use a cell phone you can probably get internet through the same provider.


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To give your plants a nice carbon treat,I suggest backing up to your plant of
choice and burning your tires off,umm,umm what a treat!
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:17 pm

Oh Aaron that is such a beautiful vista.
Just think you'll wake up to that view every morning...what half the world would give to have such beauty and peace :colors:
burning your tires off,
what a nut you are jim :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yup, by the time you move there (not that it's a long time away...), you'll be able to get internet from any of countless cellphone providers who are vying for your contract business.

Gonna go look at the picture again...(sigh)
The only thing missing is a couple of Washies...plant 'em downstream of your septic tank. :cheers:

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Post by DesertZone » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:47 am

hardyjim wrote:If you can use a cell phone you can probably get internet through the same provider.
Kind of what I was thinking. Thanks Jim. :D
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Post by DesertZone » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:52 am

lucky1 wrote:Oh Aaron that is such a beautiful vista.
Just think you'll wake up to that view every morning...what half the world would give to have such beauty and peace :colors:

Gonna go look at the picture again...(sigh)
The only thing missing is a couple of Washies...plant 'em downstream of your septic tank. :cheers:

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That is just what I though when I took that pic, gonna be a nice veiw in the morning. :wink:

Good idea about the washies and the septic tank....nice. :D
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Post by lucky1 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:38 pm

More cooling stuff... :study:

http://www.climatecooling.org/

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Post by DesertZone » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:50 pm

lucky1 wrote:More cooling stuff... :study:

http://www.climatecooling.org/

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Scary stuff, the US had done a scenario on GW and G. Cooling and we would be better to survive a GW. Food and fuel did not last in a GC.

Barb, good info. lots of info on warming and cooling. I pray not to see a cooling in my life time. :verycold:

Sounds like people should be more worried about thier income for the future, than warming or cooling :x
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Post by lucky1 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:05 pm

Yup, food crops don't survive in GC.
more worried about their income for the future
Absolutely...both Canada and the U.S.A.

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Post by Okanagan desert-palms » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:22 pm

IMO. The GW science is not settled . There are many variables to why climate is warming? and or cooling?. The sunspots have everything to do with warming or cooling. Maunder minimum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum Not one mention of this from GW camp on the mainstream news. Scientist`s with very credible credentials have signed a petition disputing the GW view. http://petitionproject.org/ http://petitionproject.org/qualificatio ... igners.php Here is my favorite Earth weather man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkzNmWlCig8 I`m sure many would be the of opinion that Global CO2=Warming is a hard sell right now. I drive a hydrogen hybrid. My Earth is your Earth ! Peace out.

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Post by lucky1 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:39 pm

John, that big black sleek thing you drive is a hydrogen hybrid?
Good man...

Good links.

Good grief!

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Post by DesertZone » Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:06 am

Okanagan desert-palms wrote:IMO. The GW science is not settled . There are many variables to why climate is warming? and or cooling?.

John[/url]
That is about where I stand, I am neutral. Just to many variables to make any true statments. :|

But it is hard to get support without a crisis.
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