Extreme cold for the Southern AZ, NM, and West Texas

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:43 pm

More up dates on the el paso palms.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_17525302

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:43 pm

How sad to read of dead palms, bird of paradise, barrel cactus and their groundcovers.
That story, and several others I've read, all suggest holding off all pruning until late spring/early summer...not to cut dead stuff off.
Unless there's a safety issue with a sidewalk below.

Yet the story's picture shows "palm pruning on Wednesday"

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:14 am

lucky1 wrote: Yet the story's picture shows "palm pruning on Wednesday"
Barb

I know, kind of funny.

What a hack job.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:26 am

I am so bummed out, record cold for Southern AZ, tonight could be single digits F or colder.

I don't want to see all the palms burnt and more dead cactus this trip! Wherever I go...everthing freezes! I may have jinkxed that area.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:46 pm

I don't want to see all the palms burnt and more dead cactus this trip!

Doesn't seem to take very many cold nights either...
all while we measure winter in months

Interesting that the damaged palms post were from March
Hoping that this is all they get of winter.

...and the Joshua trees

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:29 pm

Hi Aaron,

the cold is a good opportunity to find some hardy forms of cactus.

Let us know how cold it gets down in AZ.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:32 pm

lucky1 wrote:
Interesting that the damaged palms post were from March
Hoping that this is all they get of winter.

...and the Joshua trees

Barb

That freeze happened in Feb, so probably most of the palms looked dead by March.

The Joshua trees will all be ok, they laugh at this kind of cold. I watch an area where they grow in nature and half the time that area is as cold as it is here if not colder (sometimes) They grow in the wild just West of Pioche NV and they have some very old J-trees in the town, and it's cold there!

http://www.piochenevada.com/

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:57 pm

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Aaron,

the cold is a good opportunity to find some hardy forms of cactus.

Let us know how cold it gets down in AZ.

So true.

I just hope the cactus/palms that survived the last freeze will do so again.

Post by **Jay-Admin** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:32 pm

Dang cold snap! I'll be in Vegas next weekend. I guess i'll bring my jacket.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:01 pm

Jay-Admin wrote:Dang cold snap! I'll be in Vegas next weekend. I guess i'll bring my jacket.

Next weekend looks like they will be back to normal. high 60f/15.5C

Take lots of pics, frost damage and anything else you can find Jay.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:58 pm

Yes please, Jay, photos.

Have a good trip.

Barb

Post by **Jay-Admin** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:17 pm

Ok good. I can handle 60f/15.5C.

I will try to take lots of pics.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:47 am

Albuqurque (how ever the hell you spell it) was -12C this morning according to google earth

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:04 am

And Bisbee - minus 13C.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:39 am

I just got of the phone with my nieghbors in AZ and they had a low of 5f/-15C

I hope the big saguaro up the road can take all these cold years in a row!

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:43 am

igor.glukhovtsev wrote:And Bisbee - minus 13C.

I wonder if the two 85 year old W. filifera's in Bisbee are doing. It may have been below 0f in some parts of town.

I planning on gowing there in May/june I hope too see some form of life on the palms there.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:43 am

5F is pretty cold for a Saguaro!

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:02 am

TimMAz6 wrote:5F is pretty cold for a Saguaro!

I think that saguaro... two years ago survived three very cold nights in a row, 4f, -1f, 3F I think that is what my nieghrs said they had that week. And sense then it has grown over a foot taller, they grow faster than most people think. Well maybe not in the wild?

Some of the saquaros and and other cactus froze that winter there, I think they are running out of big specimens. There was a very nice Trichocereus tersheckii in town (Sunsites) before the "big freeze" but I could not find it that summer.

And they had some of the biggest golden barrels I have ever seen, but they were just about all dead. Other than the "big freeze" the coldest I've seen it there over the years (sense I've been watching) was 12f.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:43 am

wonder if the two 85 year old W. filifera's in Bisbee are doing

Yeah, too bad the RVers aren't there this winter.
They could have checked.

I just got of the phone with my nieghbors in AZ and they had a low of 5f/-15C

Wow

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:26 am

lucky1 wrote:
wonder if the two 85 year old W. filifera's in Bisbee are doing
Yeah, too bad the RVers aren't there this winter.
They could have checked.

I just got of the phone with my nieghbors in AZ and they had a low of 5f/-15C
Wow

You may want too give them a mapped out plan where we want them to go next year.

I try this ever year with the inlaws, but they just keep going where ever they want.

I was also suprized how cold it can get in some places of the soutwest, I guess that's why some of those plants can deal with even our cold.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:38 pm

how cold it can get in some places of the soutwest

Yeah, especially with elevation.

the inlaws, but they just keep going where ever they want.

You'll have to get them "into" cold hardy plants...

Just got an email from friends who live in Scottsdale AZ during our Cdn winters.
She said a few of their full-time (U.S.) neighbors are heading off to Hawaii to get away from AZ cold.

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:27 pm

Hard freeze warning for Nevada
10 to 25 F

Poor palms and yuccas.

http://www.google.org/publicalerts/aler ... source=web

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:54 pm

Aaron..........you'll have to collect some seed off that Saguaro!

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:37 pm

lucky1 wrote:Hard freeze warning for Nevada
10 to 25 F

Poor palms and yuccas.

http://www.google.org/publicalerts/aler ... source=web

There will be some burn on the date/phoenix palms. But most everything but queens should alive. It's all up to Jay for a full report.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:46 pm

TimMAz6 wrote:Aaron..........you'll have to collect some seed off that Saguaro!

If I can I will, people don't like when you throw rocks at thier plants or slap them with sticks to get the seeds down.

This was the summer after the "big freeze" just up the road from my place. You can see the winter burn.

Beny · Post by **Beny** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:49 pm

Hummm....St-Georges, Utah will hit 15F tonight...will be on the edge for palms , lots of Washingtonia and Phoenix over there

Ben

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:28 pm

Here is a few official records that came from the Sunday freeze. These are all from places that are zone 8 or better, have large, long term palms growing. I could post about warmer area's, but sense this is a cold hardy forum I thought I would post about the places on the egde of the "palm zones".

My property (Sunsites) 5F

Sunsites AZ 7F old record 13F 1964

Kingman AZ 11F not a record, record 9F 1963

Bisbee AZ 7F old record 18F 2005

Deming NM 5F old record 6F 1962

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:33 pm

Beny wrote:Hummm....St-Georges, Utah will hit 15F tonight...will be on the edge for palms , lots of Washingtonia and Phoenix over there

Ben

Thanks for posting St George, UT

Sunday freeze

St George UT 16F record still standing 2F

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:15 am

I checked climate statistics for St.George, UT at the Wikipedia:

Record low °F (°C) −11 (−24)

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:31 am

igor.glukhovtsev wrote:I checked climate statistics for St.George, UT at the Wikipedia:

Record low °F (°C) −11 (−24)

Yes...the all time record. Thanks.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:31 pm

those are some cold temps Aaron............keep the updates coming.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:32 pm

Monday lows and some records. (for the day)

Sunsites AZ 11F old record 12F 1964

Bisbee AZ 11F old record 16F 1989

Kingman AZ 12F record 8 1962

Douglas AZ 11F old record 11F 1964

And a vid link of snow this year on the border, Douglas AZ 12/31/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATeI9vMUbe8

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:37 am

Hi Aaron! Thanks for info! I think we should be prayers for all these cacti, agave and palms...

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:32 pm

igor.glukhovtsev wrote:Hi Aaron! Thanks for info! I think we should be prayers for all these cacti, agave and palms...

I pray every night for them cacti, agave, and palms. And now I think they will be ok? The days and nights are going to be much warmer now.

The last of the extreme cold for the Southwest?

Tuesday lows.
Sunsites AZ 11F old record 13F 1962

Bisbee AZ 11F old record 16F 1989

Kingman AZ 11F old record 13F 1962

Nogales AZ 11F record 10F 1964

Wikieup AZ 11F old record 19F 1989

Douglas AZ 11F record 9F 2007

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:01 pm

Bisbee AZ in snow
12/31/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnFvfrgiq7s

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:00 pm

That's a whack of snow for them.

Cool that they got it New Year's Eve.

Neat to see the 3 dogs who've never stepped on snow before

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:13 am

lucky1 wrote:That's a whack of snow for them.
Cool that they got it New Year's Eve.

Neat to see the 3 dogs who've never stepped on snow before

Barb

I thought the same thing.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:08 am

Well, I did not think this was as bad as the big freeze, but maybe close?

Talked with my nieghbors and they had three cold days in a row, 5F,3F,7F

But now they are like 70F, we will see if any of the saguaro's are still alive.

I hope this roller coaster is not an ever year thingy.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:24 am

Here's another snow vid from Bisbee AZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1P6UI7XtCE

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:51 am

Nice to see that video, Aaron, thanks.
So about 15 years since the last "event"?

Bet you didn't miss that great Agave at 1:28

Barb

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