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Frost advisory?!?

Post by TerdalFarm » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:15 pm

I just got this email warning about a "frost advisory"
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Is anyone else getting frost yet?
I have done a total of--nothing--to get ready for frost. I guess I'll pray.
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Post by Knnn » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:20 pm

We had frost last night, winter is getting an early start!

(Only have about 50% of things brought in so far :-)


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Post by TerdalFarm » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:39 pm

I quickly brought in potted traveler's palm and Chameadorea geonormis and ernesti-augustii.
Everything else ought to be able to take a light frost. (No, not really.)
Reminds me why I try to grow only zone 9 palms in pots.
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Post by hardyjim » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:07 am

We were about 38F the last 2 nights,NOT even the Bananas were slightly damaged.
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Post by TerdalFarm » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:51 pm

It merely got to 39 oF. One advantage of living up on a hill: the coldest air on wind-less nights settles into the valleys.
You shared your 10-day outlook on another thread. You can put in my zip code (74008) :D :D :D
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Post by TerdalFarm » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:51 pm

Record low from the Tulsa Airport last night:


Statement as of 7:27 am CDT on October 4, 2010


... Record low temperature set at Tulsa Oklahoma...

a record low temperature of 37 degrees was set at Tulsa Oklahoma
yesterday. This breaks the previous record of 39... set in 1987.

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Post by Paul Ont » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:50 am

We're doing Ok here in the big city- low to date is 5.6C (42.8f). Not the same story at the garden, Kingston hit 39.5f (4.2C) and I'm generally cooler than the weather station!

Looks like we're in the clear again here (lows in the 10C range for the foreseeable future) http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weathe ... _savedcity

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Post by TerdalFarm » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:25 am

A low-laying town nearby (NOT north of me) got to 28 oF, so again, one of those days I'm glad to be up on a hill.
Just a friendly reminder to get ready for the nights to come.

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Post by sidpook » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:55 pm

No frost here yet, our lowest overnight temp has been around 50, but it may get to 48 tonight. I'm just so friggin delighted to have the AC off finally that I am sleeping with the windows open to savor the night sounds. I missed that all summer long. It usually gets to frost around Halloween here. then a hard freeze in November sometime.
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Post by sidpook » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:45 am

Still no frost yet, temps have been pretty moderate, 60s during days and forties to 50 at night. LAst night was coldest yet, 43 degrees...BRRRR! Back to the seventies next week, nice!
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Post by TerdalFarm » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:47 am

Mike,
look at my weather sticker: it is 71 oF (22 oC) right now BEFORE 8 am! --Erik

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Post by sidpook » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:40 am

TerdalFarm wrote:Mike,
look at my weather sticker: it is 71 oF (22 oC) right now BEFORE 8 am! --Erik
That's amazing! Like late spring. I think we will be getting some of your weather this coming week...I love it! I still have all my indoor palms outside and my bananas are still growing, though slower now of course. Although, I know what is to come, COLD!!!!!!!!!! Very soon after Halloween/Thanksgiving I;m sure....
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:32 am

For late October, we're pretty mild too.
Just a couple of nights last week with a touch of frost.

We're finally getting some rain after what seems like 6 weeks of sunshine and above normal temps.
The Wet Coast (west coast) is getting pounded with rain, but not much makes it over the mountains to the interior.

You guys are still in the 70's...wow
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Post by sidpook » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:32 pm

lucky1 wrote:For late October, we're pretty mild too.
Just a couple of nights last week with a touch of frost.

We're finally getting some rain after what seems like 6 weeks of sunshine and above normal temps.
The Wet Coast (west coast) is getting pounded with rain, but not much makes it over the mountains to the interior.

You guys are still in the 70's...wow
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Hi wet coast lady....hope you're enjoying autumn.
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:06 pm

Hi Mike,
I'm 300 miles east of the WET coast :lol: :lol: :x
Had some rain today, then sunshine, then a five-minute HAIL storm (what sardines hear on the roof of their can!)

Autumn's been great, lovely warm days and lots of sun.
The long autumn resulted in a couple of outdoor jobs getting completed, still more to do before the snow flies.

If your nice weather keeps up, your Hallowe'en guests will be wearing shorts!
8)

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Post by macario » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:49 am

No frost yet here in chicago. Dont expect that until maybe the first or second week of november. Weather channel.com has almost 80 today dropping to the 60's in 10 day forcast. I can honestly remeber when I was a child having snow or sleet on halloween. My banana and everything is still green in the yard but all the trees almost bald from loosing there leaves (except for my southern magnolia). Is it possible I wont have a frost until Dec? It will be fun to wait and see.

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Post by lucky1 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:46 am

Hi Macario Mike,

Most people seem to report weather "shifting"...later summers, mild later into Fall.
20+ years ago here we had very nice spring weather early March...now it's usually cold and windy here even until end May.

How did your big palms do this year?
And how's that gorgeous Spanish Bayonet yucca?
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Post by hardyjim » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:32 am

Possibly 30(F) here Friday morning-looks better than the 27 they were saying yesterday.

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Post by macario » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:05 am

Hey barb, well everythings just getting bigger my female trachy is growing faster than my male. The yucca I have I think your talkin about is my yucca thompsinana its still growing and my yucca rostrata is growing well.
I saw your new home for your trachy, looks awsome and I am sure it will be happy there in its new house.

We have a beatiful southern breeze help keeping us warm. Plus I live in a city constantly warmed buy sun

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Post by canadianplant » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:40 pm

At the airport there have been abour 5 or 6 frosts. At my house, there have been 3, and no lower then -2C. Not bad for central canada. Passiflora is still going, so is the cyperus.... damn its almost november :twisted: Thank you climate change.

IT has definetly changed here. We didnt have frost here till december, ad we didnt have consecuitive days with frost untill january. I remember 2 or 3 halloweens we had snow, when i was young..... none as far as i can remember for at least 15 years. The summers are becomming a bit less humid, but warmer temps, while spring has been either cool ad wet, or super warm and early. We generaly have predictable springs witha slow increase in temps, with rain mabey twice a week. We didnt have a drop of rain this spring here from march to may, and 2 15mm rainfalls then nothing untill the middle of june. MArch - june is, and as far as my memory goes... the wettest months of the year. ITs warming, and drying up here in a few words..
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Post by sidpook » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:04 pm

lucky1 wrote:Hi Mike,
I'm 300 miles east of the WET coast :lol: :lol: :x
Had some rain today, then sunshine, then a five-minute HAIL storm (what sardines hear on the roof of their can!)

Autumn's been great, lovely warm days and lots of sun.
The long autumn resulted in a couple of outdoor jobs getting completed, still more to do before the snow flies.

If your nice weather keeps up, your Hallowe'en guests will be wearing shorts!
8)

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Post by lucky1 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:25 pm

Vernon, BC in the North Okanagan.

35 miles north of Kelowna.
just moved back from Vancouver Island
to where you live?

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Post by DesertZone » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:27 pm

lucky1 wrote:Most people seem to report weather "shifting"...later summers, mild later into Fall.
20+ years ago here we had very nice spring weather early March...now it's usually cold and windy here even until end May.

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Post by DesertZone » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:28 pm

Anyone else with snow. We had a lite dusting last night. :|
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Post by sidpook » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:20 pm

lucky1 wrote:Vernon, BC in the North Okanagan.

35 miles north of Kelowna.
just moved back from Vancouver Island
to where you live?

Barb
yep, they just moved back to the philadelphia area. But it is odd that west of the city where my family is currently (and where I grew up), the climate is so different. They are usually 5 to 7 degrees cooler in winter and at night. They have a;ready had frost and it is still 29 degrees here tonight only going to 63...Weather is amazing. I'll have to check your town out on google earth, chat soon. Happy Halloween!!!!!
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Post by sidpook » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:31 pm

sidpook wrote:
lucky1 wrote:Vernon, BC in the North Okanagan.

35 miles north of Kelowna.
just moved back from Vancouver Island
to where you live?

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yep, they just moved back to the philadelphia area. But it is odd that west of the city where my family is currently (and where I grew up), the climate is so different. They are usually 5 to 7 degrees cooler in winter and at night. They have a;ready had frost and it is still 69 degrees here tonight only going to 63...Weather is amazing. I'll have to check your town out on google earth, chat soon. Happy Halloween!!!!!

ok so I meant 69 degrees! :oops:
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:07 pm

Mike,
So your friend didn't like Vancouver Island?
or just homesick for Philly?
We'll be the ones hitting 29, not you folks for quite some time.



Hey Aaron, a dusting of snow :? Yuk.
The yucca brevifolia must look gorgeous!

Whistler/Blackcomb (site of winter olympics) got a foot of snow last night.
Good place for it. :lol:
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Post by sidpook » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:20 pm

lucky1 wrote:Mike,
So your friend didn't like Vancouver Island?
or just homesick for Philly?
We'll be the ones hitting 29, not you folks for quite some time.



Hey Aaron, a dusting of snow :? Yuk.
The yucca brevifolia must look gorgeous!

Whistler/Blackcomb (site of winter olympics) got a foot of snow last night.
Good place for it. :lol:
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UGH, it is disgusting here, 78 and very humid, I have the central air back on! So gross!
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Post by Jubaea » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:31 pm

40 degree temperature swing for today. Low in the morning was 43 and now we are up to 83. This was the coldest we have gotten so far this fall. I'm hoping for not frost untill December but this year and summber have been quite cool so far.

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Post by TerdalFarm » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:14 pm

Mike, turn that AC off! You'll be wishing for the warmth soon enough anyway. Plus you need to save electric bills for palm hut heating....
Bixby forecast for Friday morning is 31 oF / -1 oC but I'm hoping being up on a hill spares me a degree.
That worked this time last year when I only got to 34 oF in the first frost for Bixby.
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Post by sidpook » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:57 am

TerdalFarm wrote:Mike, turn that AC off! You'll be wishing for the warmth soon enough anyway. Plus you need to save electric bills for palm hut heating....
Bixby forecast for Friday morning is 31 oF / -1 oC but I'm hoping being up on a hill spares me a degree.
That worked this time last year when I only got to 34 oF in the first frost for Bixby.
I'm not ready, in more ways than one. --Erik
LOL, i just hate the humidity....it feels like june again. Although my musas are still loving it, leaves still curling out and up...Insane! I will be ready to winterize after the holiday :twisted:

Is it really windy out there a lot in winter too?? How about sunny days? Do you get a lot?
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Post by TerdalFarm » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:08 pm

Mike,
it can get very windy here in winter.
We did not have wind last night, which might make the cold nights get colder.
I am on a hill-top, which helps as cold air sinks in the absence of wind. So, it only got to 32 - 33 oF or so this morning. There was a light frost on leaves, which Colocassia, Musa and Musella did not like but they'll make it a little longer.
As for humidity, there is none now--the dew point is 34 oF right now, for example. We need strong winds off the Gulf of Mexico for humidity, and those are rare in winter.

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Post by canadianplant » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:20 pm

heir calling for a cm of snow tonight. And apperantly snow squalls ( snow storms around the lake front, not lake effect, which is from the winds commng over the lake ). they can be tricky, probably only a dusting, but then again, squalls can intensify quick, and be unpredictible, and drop 10 cm of snow in an hour :evil:
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Post by sidpook » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:02 pm

finally got a bit of frost here this week, but the lows are back to the low 40s and high 30s and highs in the afternoons are going up to the mid 60s...

I did get five 5' musa basjoo banana pups in the house this week...with large root bases...They are beautiful! I can't believe ho huge the whole root balls are fo the mother plants!!!!!! Jesus Christ!!! :shock:
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Post by TerdalFarm » Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:33 pm

As with Jim last night, I'm going to get it good tonight. So far all I've had is 31 oF (-0.5 oC) and that was brief.
The forecast for tonight varies from source to source, but definitely into the 20s oF -- either mid or upper. I'm on a hill top, and there is not wind, so I like to think I'll be on the upper end.
W and I have been working longs days all week. We did not have much time, but I had previously potted a lot of things.
Here is where there are right now:

Dining room has--
Dypsis
Caryota
Chameadores (geonormis, ernesti-augustii)
Bismarckia
Roystonea
Ravenella (traveller's "palm")
plus a few other plants (Hamellia, Gardenia, kumquat, Bourgainvillea, Ficus benjamina, a few others). Yet, it is feeling full!

Ball room (= mostly unheated converted garage with decent south windows) so far only has a Lanata and a Musa.

In pots up against the west wall are many palms--
the new ones (Brahea, Nannorrops, Trithrinax, Washy), seedling Sabal, the little Trachycarpusn "takil" (=nainital)
plus a few others (sago "palms", Michelia).

In the ground unprotected at all are Sabal, Chamearops, Chameadroes radicalis, Trachycarpus and Rhapidophyllum + the Phoenix roebellini I'll dig up soon. Plus some others I'll have to dig up soon like Alpinia, Hibiscus rosa-sinensis, Citrus "Meyer." No winter protection at all in hopes a little cold now will help them get ready (just a hypothesis). I did through old blankets over the H. rosa-sinensis and some smaller Musa basjoo.

I can't take photographs like Jim can (e.g., his new thread) but I'll try to take some.

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Post by canadianplant » Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:30 am

Interesting last 2 days here......., - 6 the other night and -6C last night, with ighs of 2C :| Today and the next 5 days, highs of 10C, with lows around 3C :| My cannas havnt died all the way back yet, and they cyperus finally got knocked down. But the passiflora, is sill growing.

Still no snow. Southern ontario got 5 - 10CM, not to often they get snow before we do..
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Post by sidpook » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:18 am

sound like you guys will be busy protecting...I just brought in 6 musa basjoo pups yesterday evening...actually, they are pretty big pups around 5' tall each....they are beauts, and I was able to get a lot of root ball with them. I was amazed at how huge and thick the original root masses got over the past six months outside,,,like a stone wall...my god! Should I trim some of the leaves off of the pups in the house to not make the diminished root systems have to work so hard or just leave them? What do you all think?
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Post by TerdalFarm » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:47 pm

Mike,
get those pups in soon!
W wanted to dig and bring some in to get a head-start on Spring but I was so tired last night I said it could wait.
Wrong! Even the pups I covered with buckets or blankets lost all leaves, although the stems may be alright.
Here is a photo of my favourites. They are Musa basjoo "thin red line", from cistus.com
(here is their catalogue description:
Musa basjoo 'Thin Red Line'hardy fiber banana
One of the boldest plants we sell. After 3 years, 20 ft stems with 10 ft long leaves and drooping branches of huge yellow flowers followed by real (insipid) bananas. Full to part sun, serious irrigation and heavy fertilizer. Plant 6" deeper than the soil in the nursery pot. Protect trunk from severe freezing with mulch or wrapping. Leaves frost back below 30 degrees F and trunk is hardy into the teens. Established plants are root hardy to USDA zone 6.)
I got mine from them in a 1 gal. pot three years ago. It never grows tall--I think of it as a dwarf here as it stops growing when it gets hot.
Anyway, by the end of the day the leaves are toast. It won't look like this for many months....
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Post by sidpook » Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:18 am

Cool...like a jungle. I did get the pups in pots and have placed them on the front sun porch, full sun from early am until about 1:00 pm (SSE facing exp.) Even in the winter time it heats up to the 60s in that room and never freezes at night . They should do well there. We haven't had a freeze here yet, but the tallest banana leaves in the yard are starting to curl and wither a little from cold and wind. Our lowest temp was 36 this past week.so it is coming. I've put a pic of the pups and other items we had to place on the porch below...All the other palms and tropicals are spread around the house as tastefully as possible...That of course is considered grounds for divorce by one of us (hint not me...

:roll: :roll: )

Here are the pics of what we put on the sun porch this weekend....

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Post by lucky1 » Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:36 am

Erik bananas love heat and are very thirsty so just apply lots of water and fertilizer.

Mike perfect conditions to overwinter your plants. Lots of light and coolish temps, no need for much heat.
What a gorgeous front porch with the hibiscus pair; very welcoming! :D
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