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Post by lucky1 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:16 pm

Hi Scott and Jesse,
good info there Jesse! Sounded like you were describing Nypa palm's preferences; maybe they need the same habitat!

Yes they do like water but that was my dilemma too, Scott: wherever I have a pond, there's blistering hot summer sun and not a minute of shade.
So I had to decide.
Roots in water, head in the sun?
or manual watering and situate it in the shade.
I kept it indoors, east facing is good but the inevitable forgetting to water occurred a couple of times.

The leaves are really cool up close...see below how they curve near the...what is it called? rachis?
Whatever...they bend where they attach, very cool.

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And, yes, Scott, these palms are very similar to Bamboo palm's requirements.
Look quite similar actually (except bamboo palm's cane sections get that "woody appearance").
My bamboo palm is in the cold barely-heated building, gets very little water in winter, right up against an east window.

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Generalizations????

Post by sashaeffer » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:11 am

Is it safe to assume that All/most clumping plams like Bamboo, Cat, Fish Tail, Majesty, Kentia prefer more water than solitary trunked palms?


Also, if a frond/leaf turns brown dry and crispy it is in need of more water??


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Re: Generalizations????

Post by canadianplant » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:41 am

sashaeffer wrote:Is it safe to assume that All/most clumping plams like Bamboo, Cat, Fish Tail, Majesty, Kentia prefer more water than solitary trunked palms?


Also, if a frond/leaf turns brown dry and crispy it is in need of more water??


Scott
Thats a good question. I think it depends on the mass of the palm, and the climate. A clumping palm like Chamerops, is from a mediterranian climate, and therefore would need less water, then a tropical/subtropical palm such as C mitis, or Chamedorea. Majesty palms are, for lack of a better word, a bitch to grow. High water, high light and high humidity needs make it hard to grow indoors, without special care.

Also, you need to watch for furnace vents. My Dreacena "Janet Craig", does fine right in front of the vent, but the Cat palm HATES it. THis will dry the leaves out fast...

The dried leaf tips are usually from lack of water, lack of humidity, or could also be transplant shock. Since they like being root bound, I dont see then really enjoying being repotted.

The thing is drying leaves can mean a bunch of things. Keep it wet, and spray it down once a day, and it should be fine!
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Post by sashaeffer » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:46 am

THANKS! I have a Majesty palm that I had outside in the summer and brought it inside in the fall, not holding out much hope it would do well from everything I've read so accepted the fact it would probably just die...but not only hasn't it, but it's growing faster inside than when out! Sits in East facing window and I tend to over water it...which it seems to like. It, like all the rest of the plants get misted twice a day.
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:28 pm

safe to assume that All/most clumping plams like Bamboo, Cat, Fish Tail, Majesty, Kentia prefer more water than solitary trunked palms
Agree with Jesse...very good Q.
But like all generalizations, it's safer NOT to generalize (as with most things) :lol:

The small bit of experience I have with clumping palms (Cat, Bamboo, and to some extent, PDP) seems to point to more watering as a rule.
But light and warmth are just as important IMO...without those, persistently cold soil won't benefit.

Speaking of light, I just beefed up my foyer light for the Foxtail, Spindle, Bottle, PDP, and Bird of Paradise.
I think I could suntan under this thing.

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It's rare to get shadows in the foyer: 8)

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Post by sashaeffer » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:06 pm

Barb, it looks like you have room for a few more yourself!

What is on your "MUST HAVE" list that you don't have now?
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:41 pm

That's why it's so discouraging nursery shopping...got one, got one, got three, drat!
Plus that's why many of us have to start 'em from seeds.
And wait, and wait.

But since Igor posted a pic of his Volcano...wow!

I'll see if his link works here: Image http://postimage.org/image/4nhmtaysj/

Isn't that a stunner? :compress:

So, what's next on your list?

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Post by Okanagan desert-palms » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:57 pm

Barb they all look great. It`s a good thing your cold palm house has windows that face south and your main house as well. They get plenty of bright sunlight through the winter. That Volcano palm looks great Igor. What would be the proper name for it be? I googled volcano palm and came up with palms that grow on volcano`s :lol:


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Post by canadianplant » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:16 pm

http://rarepalmseeds.com/pix/ChaVul.shtml IF im not mistaken. Sexy palm!
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Post by sashaeffer » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:27 pm

Barb,

The "Volcano" reminds me of a European Fan Palm

Nice day today so opened 3rd car garage to give these guys some fresh air and sun. One if front/left is European fan palm.

Image


I have 4 palms on order and will be here Friday the 13th. 5/6ft Foxtail and 5/6 ft Triangle Palm along with 2 foxtail seedlings. Then I really have to be done.
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:37 pm

Scott,,
If you listen closely, you can hear your palms going "aaaahhhh, fresh air"
They sure look good.

Re the volcano, click on Jesse's link (1 post above).
Turns out the volcano is a Chamaerops humilis!

But the RPS link makes it sound as though it's a pygmy version, i.e. bonsai.
Igor's is one helluva bonsai!

Nice selection of plants arriving on...oh oh...Friday the 13th :lol: :lol:

I'm sure you know this but Foxtails and Triangles can't go in your garage...too cold.
Looking forward to seeing the pics when they arrive.
Then I really have to be done.
never! won't happen! nosireeeeebob!
You're just beginning the madness.
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Post by Okanagan desert-palms » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:23 pm

Ah yes the "Vulcano" palm, not the molten lava version of the "Volcano" palm. :lol: I like the fact that this version of the Med. fan grows a singular trunk or so it seems in the pic. It reminds me of a Trithrinax campestris.
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Post by sashaeffer » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:02 am

Barb,

Foxtails I will always keep in house, even in summer. Triangle I will keep inside for the balance of the winter and put outside (in a pot) but will let it over winter in garage in that protected area next winter. It never gets below freezing in my garage.

Will post pics after they come and I get them potted up.
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Post by canadianplant » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:35 am

sashaeffer - I think that is the most common phrase for plant freaks " ok, no more, im done". That is, until you happen to find that elusive plants you have been searching for. Or the worse part, learning about new things that perk up your interest.

My bane is seeds. I received my seed order (asimina triloba, and magnolia tripetala), only to realize i missed about 20 types of seed that im interested in. Yes, that means i made another order (Acer Pseudosieboldianum (the "northerners japanese maple"), Acer Pennsylvanium (NA only native snakebark maple), Western service berry, and pananx (ginsing). Nothing too tropical at the moment, but in reality, i counted over 180 potted plants indoors (rough count!), I honestly dont have much more room.
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Post by lucky1 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:33 pm

Scott,
Sorry, I forgot that your garage never freezes, but even close to freezing is a bit chilly for a foxtail.

My big Foxtail is on the patio all summer, in mostly shade.
But they do love the heat in summer...think of where the original stand was discovered.
Northeast coast of Queensland, AU, where summers are as hot as a firecracker.

The 25+ two-year old Foxtails I started from seed have sunburned like crazy with only half hour of summer sun a day :? likely because they started their lives in a dark basement. I don't think those babies will ever be acclimatized to the sun. Damn!

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Post by sashaeffer » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:19 pm

Well Foxtails will always be inside in winter, but the Triangle I will over winter in garage I'm sure.
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:32 pm

So Scott, pics of your new palms? (tap, tap, pace, pace...) :lol:
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Post by sashaeffer » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:49 pm

Here are a couple. PM you all of them.

Foxtail seedlings

Triangle palm

Foxtail palm


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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:26 pm

Great that they arrived!

The 2 Foxtail seedlings look very good, they'll need some good light but no direct sun while they settle in.
Reminds me of when all my foxtail seeds finally popped and started growing :wink:

Nice sized Triangle, haven't seen nurseries carrying that size the last few years, they're usually smaller than yours.

The big Foxtail will take time to settle in, looks like it got cold during shipment.
Hopefully not too cold.

Apart from wiping all the leaves of all new palms to get rid of sprays/dust/dirt, they'll benefit from frequent mistings.
3 or 4x a day, especially the first week.

Maybe quarantine the new stuff for a week or two before putting them with others in your plant room.

Great pics!
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Post by sashaeffer » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:31 pm

:( I can't quarantine anything....I don't have ANY rooms that don't have plants in them.

I will use my solution of warm water, couple drops of dawn and 1/2 teaspoon of Neem oil and wipe down the leaves on the foxtail.

I wiped down 3 of my most other most recent palms I bought at local nursery's my Bamboo, Kentia and Fishtail clumping palm. I was SHOCKED at the dust and dirt I got off of them. Went through like 5 small rags but they sure look good now, and it's gotta make them happy to be cleaned like that.
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:45 pm

NO DON'T USE NEEM OIL.

can't find Jim's post right now but most neem oil products are crap.
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:53 pm

Anyway, sorry to yell :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd use 3 drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide on a damp soft cloth to wipe BOTH sides of all leaves.

It's a lot of work to clean leaves but certainly worth it.
And in the summer, just hose them off outside, they love it (once it's really hot outdoors).
I do mine every week in the summer.
icon_sad.gif I can't quarantine anything....I don't have ANY rooms that don't have plants in them.
:lol: :lol:

The big foxtail will take a while to spring back to health, but as long as its new spear is still pushing up you're OK.
Wait a while before cutting off dead branches/fronds.

They'll be happy in their new home!

Thanks for posting the pics, Scott.
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Post by sashaeffer » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:58 pm

:( too late. Already cut off the broken branches as they were just hanging down and holding on by the skin of the branch.

I did mark the spear though.
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Post by sashaeffer » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:00 pm

I do have my warmer than the rest of the house banana room I could try and find a place to squeeze the Foxtail in if you think it would help.

Temp in there is steady 72deg and have daylight spectrum CFL bulbs in the ceiling light and one free standing lamp. I leave the lights on all day, and up to when we go to bed.
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:35 pm

Good idea Scott,
the Foxtail needs a bit of TLC.
Warmth and good light will do it.

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Post by sashaeffer » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:57 am

Just swapped on of my banana's in the warm plant room for the big Foxtail. If it likes warmer temps, and a bit higher humidity then maybe that room is a good place to recover.

Questions: Do sometimes palms defoliate from stress but come back?

Are Foxtail seeds hard to germinate? as far as taking a long time to sprout? maybe I'll order some in the spring and put in green house to try. I just really want on of these trees.
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Post by canadianplant » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:35 am

lucky1 wrote:NO DON'T USE NEEM OIL.

can't find Jim's post right now but most neem oil products are crap.
Unless you make your own!!!

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Post by lucky1 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:55 am

Questions: Do sometimes palms defoliate from stress but come back?

Are Foxtail seeds hard to germinate? as far as taking a long time to sprout? maybe I'll order some in the spring and put in green house to try. I just really want on of these trees.
Total defoliation is a sign of something seriously wrong, but yes, many will come back gangbusters the next growing season (takes a while) if you can figure out what's wrong and correct it...generally a repotting in proper fast draining media, daily misting, good light and warmth will do it.
Unless it's got an infestation of something, or has been frozen or poisoned with wrong fert strength (personal experience with that one!!! :? )

Palms generally take a while to germinate, some as long as a year or more.
Foxtails generally are considered easy/fast to pop.
Takes a lot of warmth...85 to 90F for most palm seeds.
And patience.
I just really want one of these trees.
Me too..
I think I'm at about 30 Foxtails...:lol: :lol:
This was the photo that did it for me:

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which led to this:

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Post by sashaeffer » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:32 am

Well, we'll see how it does in the warmer environment. Hopefully the leaves are that color due to stress of the trip and cold and won't kill the tree. Time will tell.

I do think though I will order some Foxtail seeds just for the heck of it and try that.
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Post by lucky1 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:43 am

TLC will bring it back, Scott, just takes patience.
But I'd hold off fertilizing it for at least a couple of months.
I would, however, in the next watering (in 2 weeks) give it some epsom salts and a teaspoon of potassium (K) dissolved in 4 cups of room temp water.
Epsom salts are like a tonic (cheap at pharmacy, about $2.00).

Re starting seeds, I joined the Central Florida Palm and Cycad society.
Membership is about $20/yr.
One of the many benefits is really fresh seeds collected/provided by their members.
Notified by email when seeds are ready for order.

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Two more I "saved" today.

Post by sashaeffer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:13 am

I'm officially addicted....

Two more $2.00 specials. A nice sized Corn Plant that I have no idea why it was on the $2.00 clearance pallet and a HUGE Majesty Palm also for $2.00

Majesty was in 1 gallon plastic pot and had not only outgrown the pot, but over 1/2 the dirt was gone from it and one of the two palms lost it's support and was tipped over. It was a challenge to even get it in larger pot and keep them both upright with the soil mix I use. I have a skinny bamboo pole between them and then zip tied to the pole and to each other. Will leave in the one southern window that I have in the house since I can't move it around easily. I do have it on a 3 wheeled tray to at least turn it to give each side some sunlight.

Not a fan of Majesty's but really can't pass it up for the price.

The best part of all this, is that it's usually my WIFE'S! suggestion that I get these. Also grabbed a small Jade and Aloe plant as well.


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Post by canadianplant » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:09 am

I loved corn plants for a long, long time. Do not over water them, let the top1/4 inch dry out before watering again. Or you can wait till the leaves JUST start to droop. Also, be careful with that window. IF it is south sun, it might burn (they are generally understory plants). If you pull it a foot or 2 away from it (if its south), it should be fine. If its facing any other direction it should be good. Mine is in a bright corner in the bathroom, and has been in the same pot for 10 years and has not skipped a beat!

Grats on the good deals! I dont see sales like that for plants here as often as i would like.
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Post by sashaeffer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:38 am

I have one other really tall corn plant that even with minimal water...and only at the trunk is showing signs of too much water so going to let it dry out. Live and learn.

I can adjust the blinds in that room to minimize direct light, although this time of year it might only be 2hrs at best of direct sun.

One thing I learned about Majesty's (at least with the other one I have) is that they like to be more wet than other plants I have even this time of year, and my usual drops of Superthrive in the water.
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:09 pm

Even I'd buy a Majesty that size if it was two bucks.
Nice!

But like all the others years ago, it'd be dead in six months from too-dry air, both inside and outside.

Good that your W is getting the Palm Illness now too. :D
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Post by sashaeffer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:25 pm

I've discovered how to keep them alive it seems so we'll see on this one.

Stopped back today at the same Lowe's and the other one I left there yesterday (which is much smaller) is now marked down to .99

My wife said when I got home "why didn't you get it"? seriously, where would I put it.
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I'll blame Barb..........

Post by sashaeffer » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:12 pm

Saw Barb's Adenium in one of her pictures and thought it was pretty cool so had to go find one. Also came home with yet another .99 cent Majesty palm on clearance at Lowe's I frequent. Will keep this one for a seasonal in the ground planting in late spring


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Post by lucky1 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:29 pm

Blame accepted, Scott :lol: :lol:

That adenium isn't a baby...great size.
Did the nursery say it bloomed this year?

If Majesty palms were 99 cents here, I'd buy one too.

House full yet?
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Post by sashaeffer » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:16 am

Penny never said, and I didn't ask. It had some leaves on it, although looked like they were trying to go dormant and penny just brushed her hand against them and they all fell off. Each of the tips of the taller "fingers" all have buds on them. I don't know if they are flower buds? or where more leaves are going to pop out. It was on the dry side when she pulled it out of the pot to show me the root structure and explain how to repot as it grows so the base will expand. She said if it was in a warmer room, or had a window with sun it would probably come out of dormancy.


Question: I've read online about them and what kind of pots to use. One article stressed the importance of using a simple clay terra cotta pot, shallow in depth but wide or oval, and said NOT to use glazed pots or plastic pots. I had a perfect glazed pot I was going to use but now not sure.

GOOGLE pictures shows a lot of them in fancy, glazed pots of all kinds of sizes. What has been your experience?

here is a close up of the little buds. Are they leaves? or flowers?


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Post by canadianplant » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:43 am

I think they are flower buds...... Dont quote me, this is one plant I dont have yet!!

As for the clay pot. They are desert (loose term) or semi arid species who need dryish soil and really well drained soil. Think of an aloe or cacti, they do much better in unglazed clay pots.
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Post by lucky1 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:20 am

Definitely unglazed clay pots.
I've seen glazed pots used in India (also China by bonsai enthusiasts), but I wouldn't use it.

Don't know if those are flower or leaf buds.
a warmer room, or had a window with sun it would probably come out of dormancy
Mine is always warm in winter but still loses its leaves, likely a response to lower daylight hours.

And dropping of leaves is common as it finishes its annual sparse leaf growth.
I freaked when mine did that, but it sprung back nicely in a few months.

I've read that "ruthless pruning" is good for it, but never dared to cut off more than a quarter inch from the "fingers".

I've NEVER been able to find a decent explanation of its fertilizer needs, so haven't fertilized.

A bit of neglect is better than babying an Adenium obesum.

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