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Germination 2013

Post by marceli » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:55 am

Howdy! :wink:
Let's start a new season. This time I got:

- A. parryi
- A. utahensis kaibabensis
- E. triglochidiatus v mojavensis
- O. basilaris
- O. erinacea ursina
- O. polyacantha aurea
- O. trichophora
- Y. baccata verspertina
- Yuccas from Tim (Y. filata already germinated, others are not there yet)
- Y. glauca
- Y. glauca baileyi

This time I'm using perlite & vermiculite mix. Seeds are soaked in warm water for 24hrs and placed in a plastic box on a radiator.
I'm not sure about opuntias. I've been told that they might be very difficult to germinate. I wish I knew it before placing order :D Any advice?

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Post by seedscanada » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:24 pm

Opuntia germinated in three weeks on a warm heating duct with a lid on the pot to keep humidity in.
This was seed from store bought prickly pear.
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Post by TimMAz6 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:35 pm

I've noticed that Opuntia seeds germinate the following season in May through
July if cleaned from the fruit in autumn and placed outside in a container. I
usually fill a container with sandy loam soil and cover the soil with a 1/2"
layer of peastone. Drop the seeds onto the peastone so they fall in the
'cracks'. Place container outside so it is subject to rain/elements. Seeds
germinate at high %. I have loads of seedlings all over my garden bed which is
covered in peastone.

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Post by marceli » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:18 pm

I have a question about Y. flaccida x 'reverchonii-thompsoniana' 2009, Tim. Was it really created of flaccida? Do I remember correctly, that you mentioned something about being it recurvifolia hybrid or it was about another plant? I'm not sure if this one sprout or Y. 'constricta x filamentosa' x filata 'Big mama'. Placed too many seeds inside the box at once. Time or rather Tim will tell what exactly it is :lol:
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Post by TimMAz6 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:42 am

Hi Marceli,

In 2009 I hybridized the following with flaccida:

Y. flaccida x 'reverchonii-thompsoniana' and
Y. recurvifolia 'Tenn' x 'reverchonii-thompsoniana'

the recurvifolia 'Tennessee' mother plant was sent to me from Tennessee as a recurvifolia. I've been growing it since 2003 and it never turned into a recurvifolia. I does not form a trunk and the leaves and overall form appear like a form of flaccida. I now call this Yucca a Y. flaccida 'Tenn'.

Regarding your seedling identification. The hybrids with reverchonii-thompsoniana will have blue-er leaves and the leaves will be more rigid and more narrow. These will be easy to ID next season.

Here's a photo of the Y. 'constricta x filamentoa' x filata 'big mama' seedlings in my office.
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Post by marceli » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:51 am

Thanks for detailed info, Tim. I'll be waiting patiently then.
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Post by lucky1 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:42 am

Marceli, good luck with the nice stuff you're germinating.

Tim, wow, those seedlings are doing soooooo well
:P

Speaking of seedling growth rate, here's a comparison to show just how slow Sabals are.

Started about the same time this winter, at left is a Sabal minor "McCurtain" seedling...to the right is Nannorrhops arabica "silver", throwing its second leaf.

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Slugs are racehorses compared to Sabals.

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Post by TimMAz6 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:53 am

Hi Barb,

start a fire under the Sabal container and it may pick up in speed. :lol:
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Post by lucky1 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:46 am

Regular Nannorrhops ritchiana seedling should be called "Twister".

middle of pic:
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Anybody know why it's twisting?

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Post by TimMAz6 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:53 am

nice unusual seedling Barb. I hope the twist continues..........that would be really interesting. :shock:
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:06 am

hope the twist continues
I hope so too, Tim.

Will call this one "screwball".
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Did Humic Acid break down seed coats?

Post by lucky1 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:34 pm

I'm thinking yes, but can't prove it because I did no control group.

You may recall I was wondering a while ago about seeds in a sterile medium.
And whether they could be sped up somehow.
Because outdoors there would be natural soil fungi/bacteria working to break down the seed coat.

Gibberellic acid has been used, but I didn't have any. http://www.plant-hormones.info/gibberellins.htm

So I wondered whether the Humic Acid in my liquid Palm Special Fertilizer could do the same thing.
After all, it's an acid.

A few weeks ago, I dripped 2 or 3 teaspoons of my undiluted fertilizer on top of each seed.
The humic acid is really strong smelling/ammonia-like.
Would knock a buzzard off a fence.

And today... drumroll: 2 Bismarckia nobilis have germinated :compress:

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First success with Bizzies in 4 or 5 years of trying, and I'm stoked :D

Anybody think it might have been the humic acid accelerating seedcoat breakdown?
Or just the law of averages, that eventually I'd germinate Bizzies?

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Post by marceli » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:24 pm

O. erinacea ursina germinated after 6 days! I'm impressed 8)

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Post by hardyjim » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:20 pm

Awesome!
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Post by lucky1 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:10 pm

6 days, wow.

At least these ones are growing with their roots down :lol:
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Bizzie seedling -- what's happening here?

Post by lucky1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:18 pm

Anybody know what's up with this Bismarckia seedling?

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Post by seedscanada » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:07 am

Barb with the twin Bizzie trunk!?
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Post by TimMAz6 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:59 am

nice job with the Bizzie's Barb.......keep us updated on the double seedling. :D
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:39 am

Yeah, Mutation Barb :?
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Post by TimMAz6 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:45 pm

mutations are RARE so it may be a great plant! :D
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:10 pm

I recall my two-headed little y.rostrata, died after two years.

Think these anomalies have a very tough time.

Agree that mutations are often so interesting, but rarely survive for long.
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Post by TimMAz6 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:47 pm

When your mutation sets seed in 20 years you'll have to send me some. :wink:
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Post by lucky1 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:21 pm

I'll mark you on my calendar, Tim.

By then, we'll have forgotten who is who? :lol: :lol: :P

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Post by lucky1 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:38 pm

Is this what a double Bizzie trunk turns into?

:shock: :shock: http://s15.postimage.org/5m1g37zmj/La_P ... 12_106.jpg

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Post by TimMAz6 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:55 pm

Hi Barb,

that Bizzie will be your palm later this summer....they grow fast. :D
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Post by lucky1 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:45 pm

Oh if only that were true, Tim. :bounce:
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Post by marceli » Sat May 18, 2013 6:44 am

Freshly germinated S. minor McCurtain from Cameron. The second seed is on its way, too! :D

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Post by lucky1 » Sat May 18, 2013 11:07 am

Well done, marceli.

Three of mine came up too.
Growing slow as slugs :lol: :lol:

I've got mine sitting in a plant saucer with an inch of water in it.
Hope that's the way to grow Sabals.

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Post by marceli » Sat May 18, 2013 11:13 am

Barb they're indeed soooo slow palms :D
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Post by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Sat May 18, 2013 11:44 am

Great work, marceli!
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