Palms are sure getting tested this winter!
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- Large Palm
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Palms are sure getting tested this winter!
Not sure if it's a record here for Omaha for this date but -14 deg F this morning. Anything that makes it through this Winter I would think has to gain some cold hardiness. Will be interesting to hear from members this spring to see how everyone fared.
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- Seedling
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WOW Now that's cold! So true Scott, it's the first year in the ground palms that are fragile. If they get through this 'Polar Vortex', they can take anything in the future, and job well done on winterization.... I just plugged in the heat cable buried under each root ball for these extreme cold snaps.
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- Large Palm
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Yea, I don't have wireless thermometers but 2 strings of 25 Christmas lights is keeping a tall cage with a Mexican Fan Palm at 19 deg, 1 string of lights in Windmill palm at 12 deg, and a small enclosure with a Cape Hatteras Sabal at 25 with one string of lights and a single 40W light bulb. All have heat tape around the roots as well.
I do have one small Sabal Mc Curtin that is covered with a storage tote with no heat. I piled snow all around it so will be curious if it makes it at all.
News just said haven't seen cold like this in the past 30 years pretty much for the country.
I do have one small Sabal Mc Curtin that is covered with a storage tote with no heat. I piled snow all around it so will be curious if it makes it at all.
News just said haven't seen cold like this in the past 30 years pretty much for the country.
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- Seedling
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Short lived temps, should be back to normal by Thursday night. You'll be fine. Same with me, with 2 strings of 25 on my large S.Palmetto plus a heat cable wrapped around the trunk and fronds that I actually unplugged, I lost 3 large fronds from cooking them already. I have 1 string of lights (25) on the 8' Pindo. 1 string of 25 around my Agave and Sago which is still green. But I won't know for sure til April if it's ok. My Agave core looks great, but some of the arms have started to shrivel
Your McCurtain should come out unscathed, as they are similar if not identical to Needle Palm temps. The snow should provide enough insulation, by the time it started to really get cold inside the enclosures, the outdoor temps will start to warm again. I have two regular S. Minors and a Needle which are still very green, with no heat as well. The needle is just surround by a cage and dry leaves and pine needles to keep insulated.
I'm learning that baby-ing, and overprotecting them may be just as harmful.
Your McCurtain should come out unscathed, as they are similar if not identical to Needle Palm temps. The snow should provide enough insulation, by the time it started to really get cold inside the enclosures, the outdoor temps will start to warm again. I have two regular S. Minors and a Needle which are still very green, with no heat as well. The needle is just surround by a cage and dry leaves and pine needles to keep insulated.
I'm learning that baby-ing, and overprotecting them may be just as harmful.
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Yes, exactly...Usually I have more of a issue with enclosures getting too hot on sunny, mild days...and with moisture/condensation. Since I've learned from my mistakes each plastic enclosure has a couple of slits cut to help with venting humidity out and when I know it's going to be nice for a few days it's easy to pull the tops off the enclosures to let them get some fresh air and so they don't get too hot.
Again, it will be interesting to see how everyone fairs this spring.
Again, it will be interesting to see how everyone fairs this spring.
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I'm curious to how yours will handle as well Chad. South Carolina shoreline (North too I suppose) is showing 10C (50f), dropping by tonight to -7C (20f), then hovering around the low 30's for a high. Inland must be colder. I would hope there is no rain forecasted, then having the spear freeze over. It's already 16F here, and dropping like a stone to 3F tonight, and for the next 2 days....
Its going to be interesting. Gary (Garys nursery) posted a warning about pindos on Facebook. He commented that windmills should be fine. But his are huge, not skinny little seedlings like some people have.
We are expected to have a low of 8F. Which will be 4F at my house. Some of my palms are over 100ft away from my house which limits the amount of protection they get. This is mother natures way of balancing things and at some point I would like to not protect everything. So what doesn't live probably shouldn't. I know that sounds bad but I am afraid of heights and no way am I climbing a latter. Honestly, the only palms I expect to lose are my first yr palms.
We are expected to have a low of 8F. Which will be 4F at my house. Some of my palms are over 100ft away from my house which limits the amount of protection they get. This is mother natures way of balancing things and at some point I would like to not protect everything. So what doesn't live probably shouldn't. I know that sounds bad but I am afraid of heights and no way am I climbing a latter. Honestly, the only palms I expect to lose are my first yr palms.
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- Large Palm
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Jeeze, how tall are those palms?? Pics!
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tried garysnursery.com and didn't do anything
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Wow......that much damage to a Windmill palm
I take it' it's unprotected? how cold did it get?
I take it' it's unprotected? how cold did it get?
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One of my more sensitive cold hardy palms, first year in the ground Mexican Fan Palm. Has lived through 9 degree (partially protected) cold. Added 2nd string of Christmas lights to help with cold. Sun hitting it this time of day adds easily to the temp as well.
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My remote thermometers stopped working this year but I have been keeping a keen eye on my boxes in my back yard, two are 3 x 3 by 7, two are 3 x 3 by 9 and one is 3 x 4 by 10. All have two strands of c9 lights in them and since this weather hit late sunday here in Michigan they've seen lows of under 0F and wind chills outside of them down to -20 to -30. The lights have pretty much been on none stop at this point. Keeping my fingers crossed they come out unscathed.
I should note that they are not air tight, a few of the sides are old doors that have door knob holes, and some sheets of plywood don't but up perfectly, so there's plenty of air gaps. If they make it through, I agree with others here, they'll definitely be made more cold hardy.
I should note that they are not air tight, a few of the sides are old doors that have door knob holes, and some sheets of plywood don't but up perfectly, so there's plenty of air gaps. If they make it through, I agree with others here, they'll definitely be made more cold hardy.
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Your enclosures don't appear to be airtight which is good. They seem large enough, but not too large. If any condensation occurs, at least it will be on the inner wall and not on the tree itself.
My large one is 4'x4'x12' with room to walk around inside, and no signs of moisture buildup. I will be in it later this afternoon to inspect further. I'll post a vid or photo.
My large one is 4'x4'x12' with room to walk around inside, and no signs of moisture buildup. I will be in it later this afternoon to inspect further. I'll post a vid or photo.
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