Christmas update 2013

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:41 pm

After 2 very mild winters looks like this one came in fast and well before any palms had stopped growing. Even with covering my marginal palms I already have losses. My CIPD. robusta, and hesper palm are done for. My Trachy Takil is taking a beating but still hanging in there.

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This pindo looks perfect with only a frost cloth over it.
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Needle palm always looks perfect.
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Chammy under the tarp still looking good.<a href="http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/chade ... 1.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc3 ... 115331.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 20131223_115331.jpg"/></a>

Notice the ferns are not defoliated. This side of the house I would rate a zone 8, a very nice microclimate.
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Even though this is the same side of the house this robusta is barely hanging on.
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Trachy princeps is under the box. Take my word it still looks good.lol
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This 3 yr old sabal Birmingham seedling no longer gets protection.
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Sabal Brazoria and smaller Birmingham that no longer gets any protection or supplemental water during summer.
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My largest Princeps which may get planted if the small one holds on. Fingers crossed.
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Thanks for looking,

Chad

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:00 pm

So you lost a Blue Hesper Palm? was it in the ground? and how cold did it get there?

Did the Hesper turn brown?(asking for a reason)

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:10 pm

We hit 18F way back in Nov. It had been declining ever since. First it lost its spear. Today I noticed the rest of the fronds where dried and brown. I am not giving up on it though. I did pot it, trunk cut it and treat it with copper.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:17 pm

I was asking because like you we in Omaha got surprised by a sudden cold snap. We were going out of town but when I checked predicted lows forecast said low 20's so left potted Mexican Fan Palms (5) CIDP's (30) European Fan Palms(2) and 1 Blue Hesper Palm all outside. It got to 9F one night

Mexican's all torched brown fronds etc, but no spear pull...so far.
European Fan Palms...untouched.
CIDP's....Fronds slowly turned color, but not brown...more like dull green. No spear pull so far.
Blue Hesper..looks untouched but don't know how it doesn't show damage. Wasn't sitting next to house either, more out in the open so we'll see.

All are in garage now for the winter that I can heat if need be. It's been a tough winter as far as cold this year. Typically December isn't too bad around here. If they all make it, I hope it "toughens them up"

Pissed that I trusted the forecast like I did. Could have put them all in garage.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:29 pm

I guess mine are not as hardy, my robusta against the house should not be showing any damage. The Hesper was a small one gallon palm from ebay. About 4" of trunk, my bad for planting it so small. I have a pindo that got trunk cut last spring, it should be ready to fill in a spot along with the other princep.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:31 pm

Yea, maybe that is the difference. My Blue Hesper was a 5 gallon I got from Jungle Music and in a 20+ gallon tub. May have helped.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:40 pm

That definitely helped. Their 5 gallon palms are very good sizes. I would order more from them but they require me to buy a phyto cert. Plus shipping is more than the palm cost.

bgodwin1987 · Post by **bgodwin1987** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:51 pm

Nice plants

Henoh_Croatia · Post by **Henoh_Croatia** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:15 am

Butia looks perfect. Maybe is too wet Autumn and Winter with cold snaps for your Brahea armata. I cover my Brahea armata and Butia odorata against rain since mid October to prevent rotting spears. Thanks for sharing pictures.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:35 am

Thanks guys

I'm not sure how picky Hespers are about being wet. I know I have had problems in the past when my Butias were smaller. It was on a nice hill and the first palm to get covered.

InsanePalmNinja · Post by **InsanePalmNinja** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:01 am

Qestion were are you buying the Burminghams Palmettos? Besides Chilly Palms.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:27 am

Trithrinax is a very hardy palm...I had one hang on for a few years as a small plant...
just to much accumulated damage at to small/to slow a growth rate,they need to be
dry top to bottom though.

Princeps is a beauty,glad you are protecting the other one!

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:49 pm

IPN, I bought all 3 from different places. Chilly palms, yuccado and Plants Delight. Plan on stopping by and seeing Gary in Feb. but now I believe I really want 2, 7 gallon Brazorias instead of more Birminghams.

Jim been looking at those on ebay but they seem to grow as slow as a needles. And the larger 5 gallon ones look more like a 2 gallon palm with a 15 gallon price.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:57 am

chadec wrote:IPN, I bought all 3 from different places. Chilly palms, yuccado and Plants Delight. Plan on stopping by and seeing Gary in Feb. but now I believe I really want 2, 7 gallon Brazorias instead of more Birminghams.

Jim been looking at those on ebay but they seem to grow as slow as a needles. And the larger 5 gallon ones look more like a 2 gallon palm with a 15 gallon price.

I just got a small one for the same reason. Price vs. size is not a good look. Phil out at Jungle music offered me a good deal on a 5g large one but shipping was murder. I went with the smaller and I'll see if it makes it. we are in a much warmer zone compared to most of the board so we might have better luck with them. Won't speed em up any but they might survive a bit better.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:32 pm

Mike, I think they will do fine in our zone. I just dont want to wait for ever for a decent sized one. Hopefully my silver med will start putting on size and I will just replace these marginal palms with minors.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:39 pm

chadec wrote:Mike, I think they will do fine in our zone. I just dont want to wait for ever for a decent sized one. Hopefully my silver med will start putting on size and I will just replace these marginal palms with minors.

I have a "silver" med that is growing insanely fast..but it looks more white than silver. I have heard "silver" and "cerifera" used interchangeably but the ones I have seen over seas labled "cerifera" are VERY blue with the white powder coating and look fantastic. what type do you have? sad to hear about the hesper, was going to try one myself but I don't think I will now if yours has gone already I know it won't last here with out heat..which Im not up for that right now. Have you tried a Mazari yet? that was my other marginal on the list

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:46 pm

Mike, my silver med was a blue pot from Lowes. Been in the ground for 3 yrs now. I had a small Mazari seedling. Just way to small and I think I actually killed it by letting it dry out while potted. It never grew once in the ground and simply fried.

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:44 pm

Everything looks great, especially the bulletproof needle palm!

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:56 am

Thanks, the needle is my oldest palm. Its been in the ground for 5 yrs. I transplanted from the front yard to its current location in Oct of that yr and it took very little damage. It has seen temps down to 3F and 8" of snow and has never been protected.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:19 am

Good to see the healthy Pindo under the tarp, very impressive.
The losses suck, Chad, had expected CIDP to be a tad better at early cold, but the Armata needs a particularly long warm Fall.

When did you fertilize this summer? any chance it was a bit too late?

Sabals and Needle look good.
And the Princeps inside is a beauty.

Thanks for the pics.
Barb

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:51 pm

got my 1g trithrinax today chad..best to spend the money from what I can see. mine has about 6 strap leaves and not an adult leaf in sight..its 5 years old...

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:01 pm

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:23 pm

Yes, pic please. Did you get it from palmwholesellers on ebay?

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:50 pm

I did get this one from palmswholesale. As far as palms go it is healthy and seems to be in very good condition. It was packed well and shipping was really fast..down side is I should have spent the money and got a bigger one..It is more green than blue but hoping the color comes out once it gets older..this big and 5 years old..I think I got awhile

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:55 pm

Great looking palm. I have bought a TON from him and have always been happy.

So that is a Blue Needle Palm?

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:23 pm

yeah blue needle not looking so blue..hope it colors up and speeds up. even though it is small I knew that going in and it does seem very healthy and I would do business with him again

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:09 am

Hint when doing business with Paul at Palmswholesale....

If you want a larger palm than you see advertised you can look at his link "large landscape palms". Larger varieties of what he sells ..even if they stay small...are listed there. I mistakenly thought it was only palms that grew massive outside, but he has indoor palms there as well that tend to stay smaller, so are almost at specimen size to sell.

or

Ask him if he has anything bigger. That is what I've done. He sometimes has a much larger version of what your looking for and it's not listed on his Ebay store page.

If your ever wanting a really great looking indoor palm that has steady growth? can't go wrong with his Lytocaryum weddellianum Mini Coconut Palm. Very soft fronds, steady grower, very easy inside the house.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:15 am

Very nice palm. Yes it will turn turn blue with age. He does have a 5 gallon listed on his page for 60 $. But it doesnt look too big to me. More like a 1 gallon palm and for the money! Oh hell, its only money right.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:57 am

Thanks Barb, I didnt use any fert after Aug. But our first freeze came very early and caught everything of guard. I was gonna test one robusta unprotected against the house but its not working out. Maybe it needs to settle in first.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:10 am

I didnt use any fert after Aug. But our first freeze came very early and caught everything of guard

I don't fert after middle of July for that very reason, but water like crazy until early Sept.
We've had nasty cold early October some years.

This year October was fabulous and mild.
November was a killer as soon as calendar page was turned.

Barb

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:11 am

chadec wrote:Very nice palm. Yes it will turn turn blue with age. He does have a 5 gallon listed on his page for 60 $. But it doesnt look too big to me. More like a 1 gallon palm and for the money! Oh hell, its only money right.

Phil had a super nice 5 gallon multi trunked he offered me but with shipping and all it was well over 100 bucks and I just wasn't up for it right now..maybe in the future. You really should get you one so we can see how they take this zone.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:17 am

Yea, when I stopped in at Phil place in October I was thankful that I only had a rental car because I was a kid in a candy store....

I still picked out some smaller stuff to have him ship back...but the larger varieties of what I bought were sure tempting.

In May I have to go to San Diego again, this time I'll be driving and taking my truck!

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:51 am

I think Phil is just out of the question. Last order from him, the palm was 75$ the order cost 180$ with shipping and phyto cert. at least he threw in a free waggie.

Barb, I think I will be hardening off my plants earlier now on. Specially first yr palms.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:04 am

think I will be hardening off my plants earlier now on

I don't know what the "normal" weather is like in your area, Chad.
But here, it seems my palms are slow to start in spring.
By end of Summer they really start to take off

palm was 75$ the order cost 180$ with shipping and phyto cert

Wow, that's $$$$$$$$.
Didn't know state-to-state (USA) orders needed phytos, thought that was only for cross international shipments.

Barb

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:11 am

Depends on your state, and N.C. requires them. However, its not something I have ever had to pay for from anyone else.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:44 am

Nebraska doesn't require them, but one is sent anyway with each order.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:08 pm

one is sent anyway with each order.

Good deal if it's free.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:13 pm

I really like Trithrinax and the Mazari palm,unfortunately they do not like being covered in a moist cool environment....

I think a better substitute is the highly underrated Chamaerops Cerifera,even the small one I have has never had a true spear-pull....
always impressive to see a small palm still ticking while the heads of almost every other palm are within mulching distance.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:49 pm

I think it was about the same for this one Chad, palm was like 75 but 130 or so after shipping so I went with a smaller one. Might try a Mazari some time down the road. I have been looking for a nice blue and silver Cerifera but none found yet.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:33 pm

C. Cerifera are great palms and overwinter wonderfully. Mine yesterday.

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