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Sabal Minor Mccurtain

Post by cuja1 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:24 pm

I ordered a Sabal Minor McCurtain that's supposed to be shipped soon. It's only going to have strap leaves so I plan to keep it potted and indoors for awhile. I was just wandering if anyone else has had experience with them.


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Post by hardyjim » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:39 pm

I have one I left out (unheated),the lowest temp was -4F.

It did have a few pots over it...all the green was burned
but has come back nicely.


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Post by miketropic » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:13 am

I have a strap seedling...been sitting outside in blazeing sun...now in rain. nothing seems to harm the little guy.

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Post by hardyjim » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:14 pm

This little McCurt has some nice blue on him already.
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Post by cuja1 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:25 pm

How big was it went you left it outside over winter Jim? Do you think I should wait a few years?
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Post by TerdalFarm » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:11 pm

Can't resist sharing this snapshot from March:
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/drterdal/8588513726/" title="Erik admires Sabal palm clump by drterdal, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8092/8588 ... 9c7d_c.jpg" width="800" height="723" alt="Erik admires Sabal palm clump"></a>

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Post by hardyjim » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:45 pm

cuja1 wrote:How big was it went you left it outside over winter Jim? Do you think I should wait a few years?

Here it is after last winter.


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Post by Henoh_Croatia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:54 am

Erik, thanks for sharing. Interesting and rare rocky habitat for Sabal minor.
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Post by TerdalFarm » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:38 pm

Henoh,
Yes, but there are several clumps, frutiing and growing, on higher and rockier terrain than this. Generally under trees birds use for roosting. :lol:

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Post by cuja1 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:31 pm

Jim, looks like a pretty young plant, I guess size isn't too much of a factor in the hardiness of the McCurtains? Eris, thanks for the pic. It's neat to see a full size one like that. Amazing those grow wild in OK.
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Post by cuja1 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:31 pm

Jim, looks like a pretty young plant, I guess size isn't too much of a factor in the hardiness of the McCurtains? Eric, thanks for the pic. It's neat to see a full size one like that. Amazing those grow wild in OK.
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Post by hardyjim » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:14 am

Maybe just lucky -but pretty tough and a nice recovery too for its size.
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Post by cuja1 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:30 pm

Does anyone know how moist they like their soil? I'm assuming they are drought tolerant once established but I'm guessing they'll like it moist as a small palm with only strap leaves. Mine just arrived I'll try to get pics soon.
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Post by marceli » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:27 am

Mine small seedling has black stretch wrap on the soil surface, so it's almost constantly moist and it's growing happily and quite fast for a sabal, or maybe McCurtain is faster grower than regular sabal?
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Post by cuja1 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:34 pm

Could be marceli. Do you protect yours?
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Post by cuja1 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:08 pm

Here's my new Sabal Minor. Pretty small but I'm still excited about it.

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Post by marceli » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:10 am

cuja1 wrote:Could be marceli. Do you protect yours?
Mine germinated in May, so has a long way to travel :D
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Post by Henoh_Croatia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:08 am

TerdalFarm wrote:Henoh,
Yes, but there are several clumps, frutiing and growing, on higher and rockier terrain than this. Generally under trees birds use for roosting. :lol:
Erik, is that northernmost Oklahoma Sabal minor habitat, Beavers Bend State Park? Nice to see they are doing great!
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Post by lucky1 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:42 am

my new Sabal Minor.
Nice long leaves already, Jeff.

Good that you watered it, looks a little wilted.

Great specimen.
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Post by hardyjim » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:57 pm

cuja1 wrote:Here's my new Sabal Minor. Pretty small but I'm still excited about it.

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Small?

No,not really.

That thing will be a monster...should start producing divided leaves real soon. :D
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Post by cuja1 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:04 pm

"Nice long leaves already, Jeff.

Good that you watered it, looks a little wilted."

Thanks Barb. I was wandering if it was wilted or not. It still looks that way. I wonder if that's because it had been sitting out in the sun in a FedEx box for a few hours before I got home? Should it be perking up by now?
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Post by cuja1 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:06 pm

"Small?

No,not really.

That thing will be a monster...should start producing divided leaves real soon. "

Great! I can't wait to have it a little more palmy looking! :D
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Post by lucky1 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:51 pm

Yup, I'd keep it well watered each day.
It'll perk up nicely.

Those nice strap leaves will be standing up in no time.

Keep an eye on it; maybe gently repot it into a pot only an inch or two wider/taller than its current pot.
Use decent soil.
Its existing soil might be shedding water down the sides of the pot if soil is mostly clay.

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EDIT; sabals like to be near water, some even in swamps as Erik has proven.
They can handle all the water you give them.
I wouldn't let a Sabal dry out.
Mine stopped growing when I neglected them...basically stalled for a couple of years.
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Post by TerdalFarm » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:46 pm

Henoh,
I believe so. I was shown this population by Dr. Chris Butler who did the most recent study on their distribution (his paper easily found by Google).
Barb,
yes, I have not been able to kill mine with too much water! And yes, most in wild are in swampy habitats. BUT, we alfind them in uploand rocky habitats. A tough palm, all around.

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Post by marceli » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:40 am

lucky1 wrote: EDIT; sabals like to be near water, some even in swamps as Erik has proven.
They can handle all the water you give them.
I wouldn't let a Sabal dry out.
Mine stopped growing when I neglected them...basically stalled for a couple of years.
Barb, that's why I wrapped it, so it's constantly moist, but only in summer, when it's hot. Don't need any mold there.
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Post by hardyjim » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:20 am

I can't imagine those leaves are normal for McCurtain.

More than likely it was grown packed in with other palms
with indirect,filtered light-possibly shaded by other plants
with plenty of heat and water...although I think the overall
shape is right.

Heres a link to more pics...unfortunately Erik is in most of them :wink: :wink: :wink:


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Post by cuja1 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:06 pm

Nice pics! Thanks Jim!

I heard that a single Mccurtain will produce viable seed. No male and female needed. Does anyone know if that's true?
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Post by cuja1 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:10 pm

Does anyone know if the Mccurtain in the Kansas City Botanical garden is protected in winter?
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Post by cuja1 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:12 pm

My sabal minor mccurtain hasn't grown a lick since I got it in the mail and potted it. Does anyone know if this is normal. Could it just be in shock still?
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Post by lucky1 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:40 pm

I've got 3 or 4 little Sabals, slow as slugs, grew a bit faster when I increased watering.
Some grew only 1 leaf a year for 5 years.

Other folks seem to have much more luck with Sabals.

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Post by miketropic » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:39 pm

Mine is so slow I forget I have one...

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Post by cuja1 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:19 pm

"Mine is so slow I forget I have one... "
:lol:

Thanks, that clears that up. I figured they were at least as fast as needle palms. My needle palm has put out at least 3 new leaves this summer.
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Post by cuja1 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:06 pm

I was thinking about keeping my McCurtain in a pot for awhile to maybe increase hardiness. Would this be a bad idea? I've heard that Sabal Minors often die due to transplanting.
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Post by TerdalFarm » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:20 pm

I suppose so, to let them grow down as far as possible.
I haven't had much trouble with transplant shock, actually.
They are easier to protect as little strap-leaved things.
Not much help; hopefully someone else can be more definitive. :oops:

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Post by cuja1 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:11 pm

Ok thank you Eric
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Post by InsanePalmNinja » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:26 am

My minor s are still growing like noting happen
Nobody panics when people plant normal trees because its part of the plan... if someone plants a Palm EVERYONE LOSES THERE MINDS!

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Post by sashaeffer » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:57 pm

My small McCurtin that I got from Steve Anderson is spending it's first winter in the ground with just this clear tote over it. No heat at all. We've had very abnormal cold here so far this winter and the other day I took a peek inside not knowing if it was going to be brown and burnt, and to my surprise it was just as green and healthy looking as the day I covered it.

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Post by cuja1 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:47 pm

Is it still producing strap leaves Scott?
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