Tough Love for one of the Brahea Armata twins

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Tough Love for one of the Brahea Armata twins

Post by lucky1 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:49 am

You may recall I have 2 potted Brahea armata, one kept in the cold building each winter, the other in the warm house.
Both are outside in summer's full sun.

The "warm winter" Brahea is larger than its twin but, oh man, has it got a bad case of soft-bodied scale (the cold building Brahea has no bugs!):

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During repotting with Sunshine Mix #4 Aggregate Plus, with an infestation this bad, it was time to get out the big gun...Dimethoate 480.
Horrible stuff, stinks to high heaven...even the dog goes around the corner.
Rubber gloves are necessary.

Gently removed all old soil and plunged roots into the poison:

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Then inverted to soak the fronds:

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After leaving fronds soaking for 15 minutes, most bugs seem to have changed color, etc.

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Potted up, after gently untangling the potbound roots.

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And here's its twin, with NOT ONE BUG on it all summer:

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Reminder: KILL ANTS on patio...they "farm" scale.

Poured the rest of the poison stuff onto the Spindle Palm and 3 Triangle Palms.

What a curse scale is!

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Post by KrisK » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:51 pm

Great scale treatment pictorial, Barb. I'm too lazy to google, so ill just ask: where do you get the poison at? I haven't had a scale problem before but I've noticed that many do have infestations on their palms. Also, how does that Brahea tolerate root disturbance? From what I've read online, they really hate it. I've read that people have lost their brahea simply from picking up a potted palm that had been sitting long enough to let its roots exit the pot, and infiltrate the ground. The palm supposedly can "bleed to death" from the trauma. I don't know if there's truth there, but I do know that the Internet is full of hyperbole. I also know there's too many variables at play with palms and sometimes the obvious answer, isn't always the right one. Sorry to stray OT but I'm curious. That has always been a question that's prevented me from trying a brahea.

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Post by andym » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:43 pm

I was just about to say Noooooooo don't do that. Brahea Armata does not like any root disturbance at all. When I took my Brahea out of the pot I had to cut the pot to stop any roots from being damaged. Let us know how you get on with the palm Barb
BTW mine is dying from my Summer wet even before the onset of Winter :roll:
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Post by lucky1 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:41 pm

Ooops!
Now you tell me. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But frankly, if this pest-ridden bugger dies, my annual worries with its infestation will be over.
Can't remember but hope I was gentle with repotting its twin.
I repotted about 40 plants that day.

If Braheas bleed to death, he oughta be dead in a couple of days after the treatment I gave him.

Kris, apparently the Dimethoate 480 is only available in a large quantity at hundreds of dollars (which means I'll never have it again).
I was given a small amount in a jar.

Will let you know when it croaks.
Oh no, Andy yours is dying from wet weather? Heavy raindrops on the roots? :lol:

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Post by Cameron_z6a_N.S. » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:41 pm

Barb, how is this Brahea doing?
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Post by seedscanada » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:29 am

Left my B. armata ground planted outside. It is the first palm I've box, light and thermocube protected this year so far.
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Post by hardyjim » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:14 am

Wow Barb...you don't mess around when you get bugs :)
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Post by lucky1 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:10 am

how is this Brahea doing
Hasn't done anything that's visible...yet :roll:

I expect it'll croak after what I did.
Same with its twin now that I remember "disturbing" its roots as well in the repotting.
you don't mess around when you get bugs
I get so ticked off with bugs and just...well...go crazy.

Have you forgotten this photo when I went ballistic with the two little calamondin orange?
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:twisted: :twisted:
Left my B. armata ground planted
I'll settle for enjoying yours Adam, long distance.

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Post by oppalm » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:16 am

hardyjim wrote:Wow Barb...you don't mess around when you get bugs :)
Barbs got bugs? I didn't know this. I once had head lice when I was in grade school. back then you shaved your head and painted some wacky stuff on your scalp.

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Post by lucky1 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:44 pm

Kent, thanks for the humor infusion :clown: on this fatal topic :lol:

Wonder how long it'll take both Braheas to die... :x

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Post by TimMAz6 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:51 pm

nice job Barb.........that soak should do the trick.
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Post by Okanagan desert-palms » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:25 pm

Barb I hope it makes it. IMO you have meally bugs. I`ve had them so many times I`m sure you have them as well from your pics. Give it some root booster and some b12 to lessen the shock of up pulling it out of the pot when you repot it.


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Post by hardyjim » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:47 am

Spraying coffee on them- works great on mealy bugs.

Apparently they get so juiced up they just gotta go for a walk...
one they never come back from.
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Post by lucky1 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:55 am

Thanks guys.

Mealy bugs? But my bugs aren't the typical soft and fluffy appearance.
Mine have a semi-hard outer coating, i.e. the signature of scale, although which kind I'm not sure.

This site pictures the beige colored ones; mine are beigey-white.
But everything else is similar...the outer coating that comes off the insect when you rub it.

http://www.gardening-enjoyed.com/scaleinsects.html

Will try root booster and B12 on both Butias.
And there's no shortage of coffee around here.

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Post by lucky1 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:44 pm

Well that was 6 weeks ago that I tortured them.

Today:

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Maybe they'll just take their time dying... :shock:
But I did do as John suggested after that rough treatment -- I gave them root stimulant, had some old 5-15-5 kicking around.

(repeating to myself: NEVER disturb Brahea armata roots).
repeat. repeat.
Interspersed with the word "idiot". :lol: :lol:

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