Damage is done....

Rubtherock · Post by **Rubtherock** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:28 pm

Plastic and a drop light weren't enough for my big Washys. I hope the fronds are just gone and not the entire trees. Queen palms are thoroughly burned too, but at least one (the big one) looks like it survived. All three pindos seemed to have survived but two of them have frond damage. The Sabal Minors, windmills, and European fan palms all look great without any damage at all with no protection with several nights dropping down to 14 here in Carolina. Dreading taking pictures of what was once a great source of justifiable pride for me, but I will tomorrow anyway.

Good luck to everyone in this, the coldest winter NC has seen in 25 years.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:56 am

We feel your pain.

Don't know what's worse.
Growing palms with brutal cold every 25 years,
or one week-long arctic outbreak every winter.

The Washys may surprise you.
Barb

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:09 am

Hope everything recovers! Don't give up on the Washy's, ones the size of yours are pretty resilient.

Steve

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:42 pm

I know how you feel,who wants to take pictures of the dead?
What fun!
Try to keep them dry(crowns and soil) if this milder pattern turns to constant rain.

Rubtherock · Post by **Rubtherock** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:44 pm

Thank God I brought in the two smaller potted washys. The Cannas are now coming up that were planted in the pots with the washys. I think our sun room makes a perfect greenhouse with all the windows and afternoon sun.

Needle palm- no protection and no damage

Pindo-Covered with plastic only with no damage

European Fan Palm - no protection with no damage

Queen Palm- no protection and completely fried

Pindos that weren’t covered but had Christmas tree lights on ground- fronds damage but appear to be otherwise okay.

Another European fan palm- no damage even without protection

Foxtail- no protection and absolutely no signs of life

Windmills- All three of these look great with no protection

Sabal minors and European fan palms- no protection and no damage

2 Sabal minors, 2 Needle palms, and a European fan in the middle- no protection and no damage

My two big Washys- Covered with plastic and a drop light

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:16 pm

Thanks for the photos. I'm sure it was painful.
It was a bit colder here (3 oF vs. 14 oF) and fortunately I did a bit more protection.
As with your case, my Pindo palm (Butia) and Euro. Fan Palm (Ch. humilis) did surprisingly well.
My Trachy will live but it looks as bad as your Washies.
I lost my outdoor Washies last year and so am reluctant to try them outdoors again.

--Erik

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:25 pm

The good the bad and the ugly.
Sorry for your loses.

Looks like the Washys have some life!

I would go out and mark the spears/and near by petioles with a permanent marker
to see if they are moving now that your weather is warmer.

Hope you find some surprises(the good kind)in the coming weeks!

Rubtherock · Post by **Rubtherock** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:29 pm

Thanks. I'm already over the loss and have big plans for the ones that died. I can't wait until April to plant several Sabal Palmettos and trachys.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:35 pm

I plan to invest in Sabal this Spring, too. As with you, we had a much colder spell there than I am used to.
I saw your pool. We had pretty thick ice on ours, despite it being a salt-water pool with the pump going. We are definitely not used to that.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:57 pm

Those Washies aren't totally gone!
Almost cried at that Foxtail and Queen.

What puzzles the heck out of me is the pindos with the lights and no cover are in worse shape than the pindo with no light for heat, but a cover.
We all know how lousy a thin plastic sheet is for cold protection.
But those don't look like C7 or C9 lights?

Great needles, sabals, and chamaerops.

And the stars of the show...trusty ole' Trachies!

Barb

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:04 pm

I'm grumbling about Trachies lately, but really my fault.
I'm celebrating his European fan palms, which I think are underrated for cold tolerance.
My hunch about his Pindo palms is that he had soil heat which the plastic trapped with aid from the wind protection, while the uncovered Pindo palms with the lights lost the bonus electric heat as a result of the wind. (Of course, I am extrapolating from my situation, where the cold was accompanied by strong winds. I do not know if that was the case in Charlotte.)
--Erik

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:19 pm

5th pic: The frond-damaged Pindo(s)s had heat and no cover.

1st pic: Completely Undamaged pindo had plastic cover and no heat.

Erik and Jim, you may recall what that yellow halo around the Hastula meant (on the European fan palm).
We just read the research yesterday on EPS when Jim reposted John's damage data.
Something about nutrients can't get past cells where water froze.

But it's not dead, just affected by the cold more than the other European Fan.

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:31 am

"The bright yellow ring around the hastula and yellowish glow out into the disk suggests this frond is "inefficient" in sugar production.
Either it is old, or somehow not efficiently receiving and supplying nutrients and water to and from the roots."

This may be seen in newly planted palms(esp Trachys)where a lack of nutrients or root development left
the plant "wanting"going into winter.We also see that damaged leaves; W-S-Mites- are less efficient at dealing
with stress/cold etc.

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:26 am

horrible just horrible. Poor washys. Don't give up on them hopefully they'll recover for you.

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:37 pm

The Washys will be fine and should be fully leafed back out by June. Wait until March and cut all but the emerging spear off & you'll be surprised how fast they leaf back out.

Rubtherock · Post by **Rubtherock** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:34 pm

Great news. Washingtonias are still alive. I lost two of the Pindos but the one in the pic above still looks good. I also lost one European Palm and had some damage to another. Pics to come. I'm excited because I just planted 3 additional Sabal Palmettos last weekend that are about 12 feet tall each. All the needle palms look great as well.......

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:41 am

Thanks for the update. Great about the Washy.
I just planted 3 needle palms; glad to hear how well they did for you.
There are Sabal palmetto in 30 gallon pots for sale nearby. About 8' tall w/ minimal trunk.
How hardy are they? --Erik

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:08 pm

Rub the rock,
Sorry for your loses man, time to move on to bigger and better things like you did. I can't wait to see those palmettos you planted. Are they HC?
As for the washies I'm glad they are coming back too. Mine took a pretty good beating in late Jan when my power went off for 10 days while I was away. After having zero fronds left and just some green petioles it's coming back like a bat outta hell. It pumped out 5 full leaves so far with one giant spear and two others coming. They are awesome palms, yours will look killer again in no time.

Bill

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:16 pm

Erik,
You will be surprised on how tough sabal palmettos really are. There only really week point is heavy snow on them, other then arctic air. They handle moisture pretty well too. There would most likely be only 10 days or so on a regular winter that would really be worrisome in your location if you had a good micro climate to put one. I guess it all depends on how you protect it for your scary nights.

Bill

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:59 pm

BILL MA wrote:Erik, I guess it all depends on how you protect it for your scary nights.

Bill

What like Halloween are when your unk's forget to check
if the lights in your palm protection are on?

Oh! -snap

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:25 am

That's not nice Jim

Just wait til you see what they look like
when I get back from Florida in two weeks. The only thing scary
will be seeing how many fronds they grew in that short time

Bill [/list]

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:11 pm

Looking forward to it buddy

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:33 am

I know you are, I was just messing with ya. The uncle
thing is old news. Plus I already turned them into fertilizer

Bill

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:16 pm

I already turned them into fertilizer

the uncs or the palms?

Can't wait to see what you're bringing back this time.
You folks are so lucky to be able to zip down to Florida for a few houseplants.
I'm so jealous as I look over my pots of dead and drying, brown and crunchies.
Sounds like oatmeal

BILL MA · Post by **BILL MA** » Sat May 01, 2010 7:40 am

All I'll say is it will be a very interesting post when I get back with this load.

That's really lousy news about your plants Barb. Do I dare ask about how
nani-tal is doing. I hope it rebounds good for you this year, this might call
for the miricle grow 20 20 20 treatment every week for a month or so.

Bill

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun May 02, 2010 2:40 pm

Thanks Bill.

Ah...the Naini Tal (poor bugger)
If the 20-20-20 works, it'll be "dead coming back to life".
But, what the heck, if it's dead, a good blast of 20-20-20 wouldn't hurt

I'm gonna do it!

We all wish we could go plant shopping with you to Florida .

Barb

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