Photos of the Nursery.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:59 am

Some more photos.. All photos are xbutyagrus. All the way up to 65 gallon.

Okanagan desert-palms · Post by **Okanagan desert-palms** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:05 pm

Eric those pics look great. You really get an idea of what they look when older. I will add xbutiagrus as palms I must have. How fast will a one gal mule palm grow compared to say a one gal.Trachy?

John

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:20 am

Zone 7 is really pushing it for a mule palm. They typically are a zone 8 and above. However with the right micro climate they should be ok.
Mule palms are fast growers. Typically 18 to 24 inches a year. Usually between 2nd and 3rd year, they hit around the 3 ft mark and start pinnating. I am not aware of how well the Trachy does I have never personally grown them. I only know what people say here on the internet. I would ask Joe from Salt springs. He grows alot of them.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:26 am

I like them too, and maybe if Banana Joe grows the hybrid, we could buy one from him (without the phyto and border hassle).
I'd be interested if you're getting one, John.

Great they like full sun.
Can they handle hot desert winds?

From all reports the hybrid is hardier than either parent.

Thanks for the great pics, Erik.
Barb

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:57 am

Well if Joe gets enough requests for them. Maybe I can just do a trade. I would like to have some of his Trachys, and whatever else he might have for zone 8

Here is a triple from bare root seedling to 3 years old.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:32 am

Erik,
that's a lot of growth for only 3 years.
Great pics, especially of the germination of the triple. Relatively rare occurrence?

Here we are trading with Joe...I'm assuming John wants one too...and Joe's not even aware of these discussions.

Barb

limoncik · Post by **limoncik** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:40 am

So does this palm befit for my climate?
P.S. you can add a weather on a city Simferopol' vvekhu, where hurrying line.

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:02 am

lucky1 wrote:Great pics, especially of the germination of the triple. Relatively rare occurrence?

Barb ... Those are three seperate individuals, not from one seed.
Erik ... I'd be willing in bring some in to British Columbia.

Cheers, Barrie.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:37 am

Those are not three separate seeds. Those are all from 1 seed. Look closely.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:44 am

And no that is not a normal occourance. However we have been getting alot of them this year. Especially doubles. Here is a photo of a 6ft double, and a couple in front of Richards Yard with a date palm.

and a double seedling.

Okanagan desert-palms · Post by **Okanagan desert-palms** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:43 am

Eric we have some miscomunication in regards to planting mule palms. I`m aware of what will survive here in a zone 6b-7a.50% of the palms I grow will not survive winter here without protection. I was looking to grow some mule palms in containers or plant them in pots. The queen palm side of the hybrid must be the factor in which they grow so fast. Have any Xbutiagrus been tested for any length of time for winter hardiness in the Pacific northwest? I see they are rated about -12c 10f. Do you plan on having phyto certificates for shipping to B.C. as I`m sure many palm people here would be purchasing from you?

John

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:52 am

Eriktampabay wrote:Those are not three separate seeds. Those are all from 1 seed. Look closely.

I stand corrected Erik ... thanks. I've seen Butia grown in multiples.

Cheers, Barrie.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:25 pm

John as far as im aware they have not been tested in the PNW. They are doing well in the U.K., france, and ireland, we have a couple in front of the Mirage in vegas. There have been a couple people that have them in Victoria, and as far as I know there doing fine. That is why we have 200 on San Juan Island now. We have a few seedlings in the ground, and a few six footers we will keep non protected all winter to see how well they do. We can get a certificate for Canada. I have been talking with Barrie, I think if we just do a big shipment of some bare root seedlings and only have to pay for one certificate would be wise. Rather then taking a bunch of orders. It would save everyone alot of money and time.

Erik

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:15 pm

That'd be the smart way to do it.
If Barrie agrees, we'd naturally all offer to cover his extra handling and shipping, as well as sharing in the phyto cost.

I'm really impressed with the look of this hybrid, and definitely want two or three.

BTW Erik, any chance you have a couple of Hyophorbe lagenicaulis kicking around somewhere? (sorry to change the subject folks).

Barb

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:16 pm

Barb ... as mentioned, Erik and I have had some very preliminary e-mail exchanges regarding getting some of these on, and in Canadian soil. I'm certainly willing to bring in what may be needed for those willing to participate. Once in my hands I can send them out at cost, to the interested parties.

If anyone of the crazy palm growing Canadians are interested you can PM me and let's get the ball rolling. I was thinking of having two dozen sent anyway.

Cheers, Barrie.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:40 am

Barrie,
Thanks for offering to coordinate this.

Sent you a PM, but forgot to tell you how many

The minimum I want is 3 mule palms.
Maximum 12.

Barb

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:18 am

Thanks Barrie let me know how many you need. We will prepare for 24 bare root seedlings as of now. If you need more just let me know. I will need your address and phone number for certification

I will make sure I throw in a couple doubles for you Barrie. We usually send a few extra in case any are damaged during shipping.

And thanks to all of you who are interested. Look foward to seeing these tree's all over Vancouver, and other parts of Canada.

Erik

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:36 am

And for those who are to impatient to watch there seedlings grow. We do have an overstock of 1 gallons that should be in 3 gallons already pinnate, all over 3 foot and ready to go in the ground next spring. These are $50.00. I dont want to have to transplant these into 3 gallons as they get to heavy to ship, and to be quite honest with you, its a pain in my arse.

Thank you

Erik

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:57 am

Erik ... sent you an e-mail.

Cheers, Barrie.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:05 am

THanks Barrie. I got your email.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:57 pm

We are still waiting for the post office to not be on strike. More photos of mule palm nursery

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:03 am

Eriktampabay wrote:We are still waiting for the post office to not be on strike. More photos of mule palm nursery

Erik .. I asked around today while I was at work. Apparently only a small dept of tech workers have some kind of labor issues. Mail is supposed to flow normally. I can e-mail you and get the ball rolling.

Cheers, Barrie.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:02 am

Thanks Barrie I will be waiting for your email, and order.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:03 am

This shouldn't be unfamiliar to Canadians...

Paid 88.9 a litre for gas last night = about $4.00 Cdn gallon.

Yesterday, Washington state gas stations charged $2.11 US gallon.

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:58 am

Sorry Erik, about the dollar rant re purchasing in the U.S.
Great pics.

Your mule palms have such delicate-looking feather leaves.
Nice clean trunk too, seem to look good at any age.
I'm looking forward to having this hybrid.

Barb

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:06 am

Barb gas here is $1.75 a gallon and still dropping.

Those Mules do look great.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:39 pm

This is what we will be shipping your way soon. Just waiting for the go ahead.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:41 pm

some of our liners.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:58 pm

Here is a video I put on youtube awhile ago while I was bored.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc5d0MgjIzA

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:45 pm

Hey Erik, nice pics of those mules.
And that video!
How creatively you manage boredom. Nicely done.

Who are we waiting for? the plant inspector? gov't? paperwork?

Barb

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:47 am

We were waiting for the strike to end at the post office. NOw I am just waiting for a go ahead email and final order from Barrie and payment.

Erik

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:47 am

Thanks for the comments. Yeah I guess you could tell I was bored that night.

banana joe · Post by **banana joe** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:04 am

I have grown them before and I only have a couple of left I will be planting in my own garden. I obtained the seed from Locarno, Switzerland. The cross O have is a Butia x Jubaea. I have mine in 1 gallon pots now so hopefully in a few years they will be big enough for me to plant out. Sorry about not having any left to sell, but next time I obtain seeds I'll let you guys know. Cheers, Joe

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:35 am

The people in the UK or screaming for that Hybrid Joe. I have heard it is quite a bit hardier then the Xbutyagrus.

Barrie · Post by **Barrie** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:13 pm

I've had to cancel my order with Erik for the mule palm shipment, for now anyway. The decision wasn't made lightly but costs where getting beyond reason once all the factors where added up.

The uncertainty of shipping during unstable / cold weather at this time of year was definately a risk.
Cost was also a huge factor. The badly slumping Canadian dollar, shipping and phyto-sanitary combined with further shipping once sent from my place, made the cost soar more than double. I couldn't expect anyone to pay $50 (CDN) for a small palm liner that was $22 (US) originally.

My apologies to anyone effected. I hope we can perhaps do this at a later date and I wish Erik all the success he deserves.

Cheers, Barrie.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:09 pm

To bad its easier to repot your palms than to mail one,I sure would have loved to get one of these.

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:23 am

Thanks Barrie. The seedlings will be running again around june. So until then I guess I have to get to potting the rest of these up. Next time maybe you can just give me the address of everyone in the states that wanted them. I can ship directly. That way there is only one fee involved. It only involves a few stamps in the states to ship seedlings.

We have a project in the works right now.

San juan island washington.
There is a new sports pavilion being built here for the kids. Everything has been donated even the land. We will be donating all the palms. Hopefully we will have enough room with one shipping container but if not I may need to pay your shop a visit to finish this landscaping project. Of course it will be centered off of 5 large 65 gallon Xbutyagrus, along with saw palmetto, needle palms, european fan, Butia capitatas.

What might you have up there Barrie. That would help us finish this 5 acre project? Besides what I mentioned above.

And thanks again Barrie for trying to put this together.

Erik

Eriktampabay · Post by **Eriktampabay** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:00 am

Also we have two 6 foot, a 3 foot, and a few liners of xbutyagrus in the ground here in the Pacific Northwest. This will be the first year we have personally tested these in a colder climate. We will be leaving them unprotected all winter. I myself am hoping for snow, just to see how far we can push these. So far everything is doing well. But we have not seen tempatures below 30f yet. The seedlings are pushing there 4th leaf, growth rate is higher then the ones we have in the green house, but most palms do that after they are put in the ground.

It will take a couple winters to really have any kind of substatial data, but when we do I will share it with you all, so there is no question to there hardiness. It has been kind of funny that our nursery in florida has had colder tempatures already then we have had here in washington. I am quite enjoying still seeing palms and not having to sweat.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:49 pm

Erik
hope you keep us informed of the project through updates and pictures.
Great project!

Barb

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:47 am

I just got some of these seedlings from Erik. I will try to post some photos later today (After I get back from a Silver date hunt...).

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