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I picked green T.fortunei seeds as early as in October and got not a bad germination.
So definitely green ones can be sprouting as well,but may not be as good as black ones in general.

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Thanks Paul for the explanation.
You guys are just crazy enthusiasts of blue palms like me .

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Those sabals are germinating like weeds. Thank you very much.
Are they also bluish on the top of leaves? I am an earnest fan of blue palms growing butia capitata and bismarkia,etc.

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Barb,I hope yours could be just as beautiful as mince in 1-2 years , blue silver even on top other than to the undersides of leaves. Jim got few of his princeps germinated 2 years after staying in the ground and going through -5F, Gee, is that true? How cold would that be? :lol: Paul, how is your pr...

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These princeps are grown from the seeds collected in the stone gate. People used to belive blindly the they were green, but our results and some other growers show they are even more promising than people thought. T.princeps-stone gate are the only officaly recognized T.princeps and now seem to be a...

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But what is weird is that we got low germination of around 20% but good for hard -to - germinate princeps from 2008's fresh seeds while some reported good results.It is still a mystery. Barb, the cliff is almost vertical and will be upside down if we wish it to be even steeper. In that case, the see...

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Wollemi They are 2.5-3.6 years old, excluding 6 month to 1 year germination.They were collected from the stone gate. Glad that the seeds have an easier and earlier sprouting this year.Anyhow the germination is generally very difficult and sporadic, taking up to 4 years. Jim that is a romantic explor...

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Beautiful indeed! What is the reason for the concentric circles of different shading on the upper leaves in the first photo? Aside from covering the whole leaves, the white powder is also present in the form of a ring or ribbon on the upper leaves . Sometimes, It is forming a ring at the tips or in...

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Summer is around the corner with my princeps putting out 1-2 leaves just this year .Big smile They are shifting from green, bluish to silver at the uppersides of leaves, extremely fascinating,apart from the white undersides. In general, they are bluish more or less on top with white powder beneath. ...

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The last two are T.fortunei Tesan form .The first is T.fortunei winsan.
By the way, did you plant out your princeps and nova ? That will be interesting for you to have a try as Dutch do so.

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There has been existing a confusion and debate over T.nova for a long time and in order to clarify it,I took more photos of T.nova and princeps in pots and ground from seeds we collected from the stone gate as they are big enough against T.fortunei to tell the difference. From the photos , we still ...

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Bill, Awesome princeps you are growing and Tim you can expect yours to be like that in the coming years. I also found that some princeps are quite compacter and others are stretched. This could be caused by the growing conditions or inherent genetic variations as we see T.fortunei are slender with l...

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Erik,
Do you grow triangle palms in the greenhouse there?
It is not so cold hardy.

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Jim, Maybe yours will get whiter at the upper leave surface when it is bigger.Actually it is blue as compared to other green palms. One of mine is also dark green and after I put it in the sunlight, it turns blue and now produces thick white tinge on the new leaves. Bill, I just can't see your photo...

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Hi Jim,
That is a lot of work you gotta put on.Your beautiful palm paradise is worth that hard work.
I noticed that you are growing the red banana which is quite attractive, what is the variety ? Is is every green and cold hardy?

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The Trachycaprus princeps we normally see on the web look greenish at upperside if without a careful look at the undersides of leaves and even the leaf undersides are sometimes blue or gray we come across,NOT as white as they should be, therefore losing partially their charm and beauty worth our app...

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Jim, I would say the few Nova and also some T.fortunei that have some white powder to the backsides are blue or silver as the white powder is not that thick and therefore not as white as that on T.princeps. Even the bluest Nova I saw on EPS is nowhere near T.princeps which is definitely SNOW WHITE i...

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John, Trachycaprus is normally not allowed to enter USA for the "Lethal Yellow" Disease or whatever and you and Jim probably got the biggest ones so far out there.We got big sizes like the adult palms shown by the photos. Jim, Yes that is a pretty different version of Nova with wider leafl...

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Jim, Nice photos. I got several stout versions of Nova which however I am not sure grown from T.fortunei seeds or Nova seeds. Since I did not grow T.fortunei purposely and they are most likely to be Nova even if few could be mixed up . They tend to fall into the category of T.fortunei. See your stou...

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John,I could not answer every of your question since I did not pay attention to some aspects. Jim, sorry to hear you lost tesan .Is it the first year it is planted out? I think that is possibly because the roots are not so well developed as your other trachycarpus which were in the grounds for some ...

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Jim, Here are some more photos of Misan in the habitat. By the way, regarding the Nova with supposedly 2 ridges or Princeps with 4 ridges , I'd rather think they are actually not what they ought to be,but mixed up with each other or whatever.We'll wait and see. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/49...

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I love the purity and calmness of countryside scent the banana creates .

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That is amazing ,jim.You got a tropical garden in the cold area which probably many people never imagine.
Good job.
Are you growing Ginkgo there? It is an old and cold hardy plant, regarded as a living fossil with attractive leaves.
May you could add to your collection ?

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Tesan were obtained after breeding and crossing several times from specially selected T.fortunei with stouter trunks and compact look in cold areas over decades by a Chinese plant researcher ,but unluckily, still they are not that popular and few were introduced as there are many T.fortunei in the w...

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Based on the certain common features, we could divide them into different forms or sub-species or cultivars like R.excelsa varigata with yellow tripes which fall into numerous forms as the Japanese did .To tell the truth, there have been existing in the Chinese civil field of palm growth with the fa...

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Erik, Based on what I learned on the web, one guy said that the Juvenile T.princeps of about 40cm trunk withstood -15C without protection in 2008 and even colder temperature last year in Netherlands ( "Both my 'larger' fortuneis are probably dead, but the best news is that my princeps definitel...

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Keep up with the good work and see more as T.princeps needs some more patience. Here is my T.princeps with yellow stripes. I doubted it could be caused by nutrition deficiency till the second split leave put out half yellow tinge. not sure this cutie had its third leaves like this http://www.palmsoc...

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It seems that there is no comprehensive study in this field about these species or varieties.I once read a German article years ago which dealt with this ,but failed to find the DNA differences among the officially recognized varieties like fortunei. princeps, nanus ,manipur and takil,etc. Maybe one...

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Jim, Winsan have 4 ridges but some have 3 or 6 and mostly 5 ones as well. Just correct the wrong typing. Thank you for reminding me of the error. Yes I saw Manipur seedling on EPS. It seems to me the trachycarpus originally growing in the stony mountain tend to have narrow seedling leave with 2 ridg...

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Jim,
I saw the the photo of the Thai Giant which is amazingly big. very funny stuff.
Are they eatable like Colocasia esculenta I am growing?

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Paul, ridge number is an effective and useful indicator to tell the current available trachycarpus species or variants officially or inofficially recognized. Say T.fortunei ,geminisectus as well as waggy and Nova all have 4 ones whereas T.princeps ,nanus ,manipur ,oreophilus and takil,etc all have 2...

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I've noticed that my Winsan seedlings are curling a little bit after one Dutch friend told me this. The strap leaves of Winsan measure up to 22cm and even 30cm in length I saw last year whereas those of T.fortunei (Tesan form)are normally 10-15cm. My earliest trial with seedlings grown from seeds in...

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Jim
That's exciting and reasonable.
Unlike other trachycarpus, T.princeps have a very long dormancy-postripeness.I got 2 germinated this March out of 20 seeds from late 2007 while 16 germinated gradually over the past years.

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The few seeds were picked from parent T.princeps on the cliffs in the stone gate .The following are several others from the same batch of seeds I am growing in the field and they all show nice blue colors .Also a comparison is made with nova and tesan and we can see its interesting difference from n...

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Take a look at my T.princeps grown from seeds of the stone gate., 2 different styles of bluish palms,quite interesting .They are all from the same batch of 20 seeds I sowed among which 18 are germinated gradually over several years, but half failed for various reasons .What's fascinating is that the...

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This is a repetition of posting on EPS unrevolved and that is why I put it here seeking some ideas. I just cann't believe my eyes after checking a couple of my Trachycarpus fortunei "winsan" whose new spears are about 10cm long. I found last year some winsan with 3 ridges and Jim said it c...

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Yes, Jim, there is much white to brown fur on the petioles and leaves, evidently to see. Very interesting.

I like your big T.princeps and hope mine will be picking up the growth fast.

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The following are T.princeps grown from seeds of the stone gate. Some say they may be different from the previous sources which either demonstrate long or compact leaves.I can't compare them with other sources and so did not know much about the difference since I did not grow them by myself and so d...

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The following is an interesting comparison among various trachycarpus seeds. Tesan mountain form and cultivated form are the biggest of all varieties followed by Winsan and T.princeps-green (Nova). T.princeps-cultivated ,T.wagnerianus(waggy) and T.fortunei(Chusan) and Nainital have similar sizes. T....

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From what I read on different forums, T.princeps is at least as hardy as T.fortunei or even more hardy when young.They are originally growing on the cliffs of 1600-2100m above the sea level, it is freezingly cold . As the locals told me there was heavy snow up to the knees in the stone gate area. It...

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